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Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 22:33:50 -0500
From: seater@mindspring.com


Turkish and other oriental carpets are always shown this way, both in US and in Turkey. In Ankara and Istanbul in Feb 2000 we were always offered tea to sip while the rugs were "turned", but that hasn't happened in Raleigh NC.

Susan 

B Garrett wrote:
Does anybody know of any other context in which this 
practice has been used? Is it found in other parts of the 
country, where quilts aren't for sale? I'd love to know if it 
has another aspect beside the marketing use that I'm familiar 
with. 
Thanks for any information you can share,
Barb in southeastern PA

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Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 22:34:40 EST
From: Edwaquilt@aol.com

I have found a machine embroideried crazy quilt at a local antique 
shop. The fabrics are detoriating but the stitching is still in good condition. 
The interesting thing is the embroidery was done with a chain stitch 
sewing machine in a thread that looks rayon. The embroidery motifs were 
done in a free motion form because while they are the same there is the 
difference found in hand guided work. Is this a common example or have I found something unique. Fabrics appear to be late 1800 early 1900. The 
price is good and am wondering if this is a true collectable.

Holice

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Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 22:35:04 -0600
From: "Jennifer Van Haaften" <jasvanhaaften@hotmail.com>

Very interesting theories about the generations and their 
interests in quilting. I too am interested to see where this generation, and 
the next, goes with quilting. As one of the "under 35's" I could say 
I am interested in quilting, probably out of my interest in historic 
textiles in general. I feel it helps me to understand historic 
artifacts and the women who produced them, if I can at least try the 
techniques they used. I may be unusual though when compared to my 
counterparts of my generation, because I am already working in history and 
want to understand the past through these methods.</P>
<P>As a representative of the "under 35's," when people ask me if I 
quilt, I have to say, "I wish I did." I find with a full time job and 
a two year old to look after, I don't make the time to sit down and 
quilt. I just recently have gotten myself back into the habit of 
reading for pleasure. My mother, who has been quilting avidly for about 
twelve years, started just when her children started moving out of the 
house. Before that, she had the full time job of raising use. 
Finally, she had the time then to get into it as we all "left the nest." 
Thus I have learned about contemporary quilting and its techniques 
through her. My interest grows, but it is a struggle to get organized 
enough to get into it. I do have a friend my age who works at home and 
she has just gotten into quilting. She's only got the piecing of the 
top down. When I asked her how she quilted it and what kind of batting 
she used, it turned out her sister-in-law had done that part for her. 
:D

One last note that you may find of interest. My abilities to sew, 
machine or by hand, and to understand the basic methods behind 
crochet, knitting, tatting, quilting, and needlework, to the point that I 
can teach young children, has been a boon in museum education for me. 
I have shared with countless numbers of Brownies and Girl Scouts, 
just this year in conjunction with our museum's quilt exhibit, the joys 
of doing something by hand on your own. Let's hope that these young 
girls took this as a postive experience. Though they might not 
continue it now, maybe in the future they will remember the fun they had and 
become regulars in any kind of handicraft. So I like to think I am 
helping, in some small part, to keep these techniques alive by teaching 
the history and the methods.</P>
<P>If anyone sees any statistics for now representing the younger 
generation, I too would be interested in seeing how it stacks 
up.<BR><BR>Thanks for reading my two bits</P>
Jennifer Van Haaften </P>
Education Coordinator 
Elmhurst Historical Museum 

Elmhurst, IL 60126 
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Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 23:53:58 EST
From: SadieRose@aol.com

Greetings from snowy Iowa, 
Barb Garrett wrote: << the concept was invented by quilt shops as 
a means of displaying alot of quilts at one time >>
I have heard of Amish quilters in NE Iowa who layer the quilts they 
have for sale on a spare bed, and turn back to show potential customers. This 
would be in private homes, not "quilt shops". A practical way for them to 
store & 
show their quilts. 
Although it does remind me of the fairy tale "The Princess and the 
Pea" 
VBG!! 
The Des Moines Area Quilt Guild had a "Bed Turning" at their show 
last 
October, I thought it was really well done & very interesting. They 
had an 
attractive antique bed with about a dozen quilts. Two white glove 
ladies 
turned back each quilt, as another narrated the stories of the 
quilts/quiltmakers. It provided a nice break in the afternoon of 
quilt 
viewing & shopping, and more detailed information on the quilts than 
you 
would have gotten if they had been displayed in the show. 
Happy Stitching!! Karan

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Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 22:56:48 -0800
From: Gaye Ingram <GIngram@tcainternet.com>

Could it be that quilt shops adopted the concept and terminology from
domestic use---turned a domestic practice into a marketing practice? 
"Bed" and terms for bed coverings are often interchanged---e.g., "turn the 
bed (down) (back)"? 

Growing up in Louisiana, I heard the phrase "turn the bed" used 3 
ways---for turning a mattress over during periodic serious housecleanings; 
turning a quilt back so one could see the quilting ("After lunch, we asked to 
see Aunt Susie's quilts. We went into the guest room and she turned the bed so  we could see all her fine stitches."); and rotating quilts on a bed that 
was in daily use ("When you change sheets this week, be sure to turn the 
bed.") In the latter instance, I always assumed the idea was to preclude 
frequent laundering by distributing the time each quilt was next to the bodies 
of the bed's occupants. All these uses were common into the early sixties, I 
think.

In recent years, I've encountered the phrase only among the very 
elderly and/or very rural. 

Could this phrase have been common once and now have gone out of 
general
use? Traveling backroads from North Georgia, southwestern Virginia, 
the
Shenadoah Valley, and in Amish sections of Indiana and Pennsylvania, 
I often
encounter phrases no longer in general use. I'm always struck by how
evocative such idiomatic usages are--how they bring back a whole 
world. In
the last 5-6 years, I've had more of these encounters in Amish areas 
than
anywhere else. I've assumed that is mainly because of the lack of 
contact
with television and radio among the Amish. I have access to a 
software
program designed to detect plagiarism, and I will do a search for 
this
phrase. 

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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 01:25:32 -0500
From: "judygrow" <judygrow@rcn.com>

I subscribe to a wonderful weekly e-mail newsletter called World 
Wide
Words. Tonight one of the words discussed is "Quincunx." After 
reading the
definition, derivation, and other uses, which I have pasted below, I
immediately thought of a use for the word in quilting. I am sure you 
will
too.............

2. Weird Words: Quincunx /"kwInkVNks/
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>Five objects arranged so that four are at the corners of a square
or rectangle and the fifth is at its centre.

>Take a look at a dice, or the five of a suit of cards. In each case
the dots or pips are arranged in this distinctive shape.

>The word comes to us from Latin, in which it literally means "five
twelfths", from "quinque", five, plus "uncia", a twelfth. The
latter word, by the way, is also the source of our "inch" and of
"ounce" (there are sixteen ounces to the pound that is used in some
countries today, but that's a medieval innovation - the troy pound
employed for precious metals and gems keeps the older twelve). The
Romans used "quincunx" as a symbol or marker for five-twelfths of
an "as", the latter being a Roman copper coin which at one time
weighed twelve ounces (which could be classed as an item of small
change only if you are halfway to being a giant).

>Learned Englishmen brought it into the language in the seventeenth
century to refer to things arranged in this characteristic way. An
early user was Sir Thomas Browne, in his Garden of Cyrus of 1658;
this is a work of fantasy in which he traces the history of
horticulture down to the time of the Persian King Cyrus. The king
is credited with having been the first to plant trees in a
quincunx, though Browne claimed to have discovered that it also
appeared in the hanging gardens of Babylon. The diarist John Evelyn
soon followed Sir Thomas's lead - in his book on orcharding,
"Pomona", he suggested it was a convenient way to lay out apple or
pear trees. At about the same period, "quincunx" began to be used
in astrology to refer to an aspect of planets that are five signs
of the zodiac apart (out of the twelve).

>If you need the adjective (although hardly anyone ever does), it's
"quincuncial".

So, when you want to describe a nine-patch with the colors arranged 
in that
certain way, you can say they are laid out in a quincuncial pattern!
The red is laid out in a quincunx, and the white is in the polar 
positions.
I love precision! Now if it only comes up in general conversation, 
how
learned I will appear.

Judy in Ringoes, NJ
judygrow@rcn.com

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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:55:51 -0000
From: "Audrey Cameron" <audreycameron@onetel.net.uk>


Dear Barb & All,
Several years ago I joined members of a British quilt group on a 
visit
to northern England for a weekend of quilt events. One of these 
events was
to visitBeamish Museum near Durham which is a Williamsburg type 
museum of
"Victorian" England complete with stores, print shops, a steam train 
& old
tram to travel on, a miner's cottage, and so on.... I am sure you get 
the
idea.
The museum has an extensive collection of northcountry quilts but 
they
are not usually on view. In the typical house of a middle class 
family,
there are quilts on the bed but this shows only one or two of the
collection. But for us, they had a quilt turning. On this 
middle-class
Victorian bed was a stack of their treasures which were then turned 
for us
to see. There were many wonders,all of which are shown in the Beamish 
book
(sadly out-of-print) North Country Quilts & Coverlets from the 
Beamish
Museum by Rosemary E. Allan.
Audrey Cameron in cold, damp, & windy Lincolnshire, England
audreycameron@onetel.net.uk

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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 07:54:39 EST
From: Tubeywooby@aol.com


"Will the young women now entering the practice of law and medicine 
and other
professions take up quilting?" Gaye

YES!! I'm one of them...
I am an MD in private practice- my mama is my quilting inspiration, 
and I 
belong to our local guild and a Bee. And I even have a quilting 
business for 
5 years with my xray tech : ) (CrazyFolk)

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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 08:20:29 -0600
From: "Carla Toczek" <CToczek@hot.rr.com>


A trend or a constant?
Not the professionals who support the scholarly aspects of quilt 
study, nor
the collectors who can afford the rising pricetags on quilt antiques, 
but
the masses of people who are flocking to the quilt shows these days. 
(I'm
one of them and DH says if I'd save the money from fabric, I could 
buy more
antiques. He's right! <G>) History tells us that the masses are 
fickle and
human nature tells us that interests wane, even passionate ones.

As Gaye pointed out, the question of how long may well depend not on 
the
attendees at Paducah this year, but upon their daughters and nieces. 
And in
answer to Gaye's question about guild membership, I now belong to my 
third
group in our string of Army travel and for the third time the 
under-35 age
group is outnumbered 10-to-1. However, counting numbers alone may 
not be a
good indicator, because I know at least four quilting 
mothers/professionals
who simply haven't the guild time available in their busy schedules.

Complex, indeed.

Carla

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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:02:33 EST
From: RBCochran@aol.com


Judy--
There is also the wonderful, Dickensian novel by Charles Palliser 
entitled 
"The Quincunx."
--Rachel


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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:21:27 -0600 (CST)
From: adair@execpc.com

My great-grandmother was one of those women who didn't stop quilting
after World War II. I have several of her quilts that she made in 
the
1960s. In her later years, her hands were crippled with arthritis,
and her stitches were not up to her own standards. According to my
mother, she kept saying each quilt would be her last, but she just
couldn't stop. I feel such a kinship with her, I know that's how 
I'll
be in a few years. <g>
Unfortunately, of all her descendants, I'm the only one that quilts.
She had five children that survived infancy, and lots of
grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc., all of whom appreciate her
prolific work, but no other quilters but me.
I have two daughters, aged 23 and 17, and I have high hopes of the
oldest one, who started a flannel quilt about a year ago.
I know I didn't really get into the swing of quilting until my
children were born, so maybe the same thing will happen to other 
young
people raised with quilts.
Sylvia

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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 06:55:47 -0600
From: "leigh/hcquilts" <hcquilts@peoplepc.com>

WOW, what a fascinating discussion! Great insights into the culture 
of the
postwar years. I particularly enjoy the description of MCM colors. 
A
couple years back I acquired a HUGE stash of mid-1950s fabric scraps 
and did
make a quilt out of them which somebody actually bought and loved, 
but never
again: too painful. (Does anybody but me who lived through the first 
Disco
Age feel that the current '70s revival is some sort of punishment for 
us by
the Fashion Goddesses? LOL)

>What I wonder is this: how many of us have daughters who either 
quilt or
>want to quilt? It would be interesting to know what percentage of 
quilt
>shops' patrons are 35 years old or younger. And what about guild
>memberships?

>Will the young women now entering the practice of law and medicine 
and
other
>professions take up quilting? ARE they taking up quilting? And will 
the
>quilts produced be perceived as high or home art?

>Has research has been done to suggest answers to these questions?

I don't know of any research, but I do know that very few of the 
women I
know who quilt started doing so in their '30s and '40s, and none of 
them had
family members who quilted. That makes sense, since their mothers and
grandmothers spent most of their adulthood during the were adults 
during the
"non-quilty" years (post-WWII to mid -1970s). I'm a former 
paralegal; the
quilters I know are everything from accountants to neurobiologists. 
None of
us quilted in our youth.

My suspicion is that like knitting and dressmaking, quilting has 
moved from
the realm of necessary-tasks-made-artful to that of pure creativity. 
Yes,
yes, I know that despite conventional wisdom to the contrary, I know 
that
most of the quilts our foremothers made (or at least those which 
survived to
the present day) were *not* merely bedcoverings; but I think of them 
in the
same vein as Fair Isle and Aran sweaters: highly decorative but 
primarily
extremely functional items. Unlike in the past, however, as several 
here
have noted we can drive to the local mall and pick up a ready-made,
functional, and relatively decorative quilt - or a sweater with the 
same
attributes. leaving us free to quilt (and knit) primarily for 
pleasure and
only secondarily for function.

Considering the growing appreciation for antique and vintage, and 
antique-
and vintage-looking, items of all sorts (witness the popularity of 
e.g.
Antiques Road Show and ebay, and the growth of collections such as 
that at
Shelburne and the American Folk Art Museum) and the massive size of 
the
quilting market, I suspect the craft has a healthy future :)

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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:04:48 -0500
From: "Sharon McQuistion" <smcquistion@prodigy.net>

I didn't "discover" quilting til my late 40's, although I've knitted 
and
done needlepoint all my life. My mother was 10 years old when the
Depression hit and to this day cannot get excited about any of my 
quilts,
especially the Aunt Graces.. I know this is due to how she was 
informed by
her childhood. I really feel that it's incumbent upon us to get more
children motivated to learn how to quilt and help provide venues in 
which to
participate. I haven't picked up a knitting needle since I walked 
into a
quilt store for the first time. I'd like to be able to share that 
special
feeling which is so indescribable.
Sharon McQuistion
Clarkston, MI


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Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 21:33:23 EST
From: Palampore@aol.com

I purchased a quilt last week to go with my collection of "tobacco 
stuff". 
It is a rather wild looking quilt full of very bright fabric. I am 
dating it 
to 1940-50. There is a fabric used often in it that has packs of 
cigarettes 
all over it. The brands are: Benson & Hedges, Camel, Play Ball, 
Raleigh, 
and Holy Smokes. The fabric is a burgundy background. Does anyone 
have this 
fabric, or have a clue how I might date it?
I also collect tobacco silks or flannels made into pillows and 
quilts. 
I grew up on a tobacco farm so I guess that is why I have this 
interest. I 
am putting together a talk on this to take on the road. Yes, I am 
familiar 
with the 2 articles in Uncoverings and Mrs. Cozart's work. My father 
worked 
many years at Cozart's Tobacco Warehouse in Wilson, NC. Mrs. Cozart 
said her 
husband's family is related to this family in Wilson.
As an aside to this, the quilt's batting is not the typical 
stuff----it is 
filled with curtains, and quilted by machine very poorly.
I bought some neat puzzles this weekend. They are quilts from the 
Shelburne 
Museum. The 2 I got were---Hexagon Medallion Quilt 1820-40, and 
Floral 
Medallion Pattern. They are 750 pieces so I might go blind doing 
them.
As for teaching young girls to quilt, I find it difficult because 
they find 
it is too slow and methodical compared to the rest of their world. 
It 
doesn't offer instant results. I am teaching my daughter to sew (age 
almost 
11). It is a very slow process. I do best teaching her when she is 
trapped 
in the car with us on a long trip. I have also taught her the basics 
of 
macrame and crocheting this way.
Gotta run work on my puzzle. It is a great way to study the fabrics.
Lynn in New Bern, NC

 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 10:10:10 -0500
From: Newbie Richardson <pastcrafts@erols.com>

Dear List,
No one has added to the discussion of late 20th c quilting the
"women's history" component.
I have been developing a theory that the rise of quilting (counted
cross stitch/heirloom sewing/machine embroidery, etc) is due in part 
to
the phenomenal rise of women in middle and upper management. As many 
of
us have experienced first hand, when you are one of only a handfull 
of
female managers in a job, it is awkward socially at the office. You 
do
not want to "fraterize" with the lower ranks ( who probably have more 
in
common with you vis a vis kids, aging parents, husbands, etc) while 
as
the token female, office chat with your male peers can be less than
satisfying. Therefore, there is something of a void. Add to that the
work itself which is frequently not hands on or "creative".
To my mind this created an atmosphere where groups meeting to "sew"
became very attractive. For the past 5 years I have been asking gals 
I
meet in various sewing groups - with quilt guilds predominating - and
sharing my theory. It is remarkable how many people knew of gals who
fit that description. Joining a group of peers to share in a 
creative
and theraputic ( for most of us) hobby fills a void. Add to that the
flexibility of quilting as an craft/art form:
historic/art/quirky/humorous/social commentary, etc. - unlike 
smocking
or counted cross stitch, for example, which are more limited in their
practical uses.
so if there is merit to this theory, quilting, and the related hand
arts will remain popular. There may be other hand crafts that are
revived: macrame,crotchet, lace making - but I doubt that quilting 
will
be eclipsed as it was in the mid-20th c.
What do you all think?
Newbie

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Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 11:17:33 -0500
From: Beth Donaldson <quilts@museum.msu.edu>

Dear QHLers,
I received this inquiry at the MSU Museum and thought someone on this 
list 
might be able to help this lady out.
Thanks for reading it.
Beth

From: Where Faeries Dance [mailto:faeries@peawink.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 10:17 PM
To: richa332@msu.edu
Subject: Lee wards quilt

I am hoping that you or somebody that you know can help me with a 
question 
that I have.

I have a Lee Wards applique quilt top that is approximately 40 years 
old. I 
have just hand-quilted it following the blue dots that were printed 
on the 
top. I did try to budge some of the blue marks before quilting it and 
they 
did not remove easily.

Do you have any suggestions for removing them?

I would also like to find out the name and date of this kit. It is a 
rose 
motif with a oval wreath of roses and 4 corner accents. The quilting 
is 
all-over with more roses and stems in the central portion surrounded 
by an 
oval feather-wreath and then a border of parallel lines at an angle.

Any help that you can offer would be greatly appreciated it.

Kind regards,

Jovita Goldschmidt


Beth Donaldson
Quilt Collections Assistant
Great Lakes Quilt Center at the Michigan State University Museum
201 Central Services
East Lansing, Michigan 48824-1045
quilt line: 517-432-3800
quilts@museum.msu.edu
http://museum.msu.edu/glqc/index.html

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Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 10:18:28 CST
From: jocelynm@delphiforums.com

On Fri, 01 Feb 2002 18:14:04 -0500 "Kris Driessen, QuiltBus.com" 
wrote: make 

> which again made them available for quilting) were responsible for 
the
decline of quilting after WWII.

Kris,
Another factor: prosperity. Girls who grew up in the 'make do' era of 
the 
Depression, who worked and saved during WWII, and married their
sweetheart when he returned from war, had the money to outfit their 
new
homes with 'modern' blankets, instead of the quilts that reminded 
them of 
the hard times of their childhood.
At least, that's the explanation of my mother, who worked as a home
economics teacher during the War.
Another factor may have been fabric rationing during WWII- quilting 
dying 
out as a hobby due to lack of fabric choices.


Jocelyn

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Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 10:35:52 CST
From: jocelynm@delphiforums.com

On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 08:18:25 -0600 "Carla Toczek" wrote:

> Will today's trend follow the generation curve, too? How long 
should we
> expect the current quilt popularity last? 

I think that there will come a time when the cheap quilts become less
popular (possibly because of consumer disgust at how quickly they 
wear
out) but that REAL quilting is not going to go away. Because, after 
all,
the majority of us aren't doing this because we need bedcovers. We're
doing it as an art form. And our families know that there's a lot 
more to 
a quilt than just something to keep you warm at night. Tables made by 
our 
wood-working dads, quilts made by our mothers- nothing you buy can
replace them.
Jocelyn

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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:24:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Judy Schwender <sister3603@yahoo.com>

I don't think the level of employment has anything to
do with it. I think the fact that so many women work
outside the home period is a big factor. The
heirarchy of the typical workplace is modelled after
the military, a "guy" structure. Many women I know
love the world of quilting because it is mostly a
women's world: "I get so much good female energy at
guild!" 
Disposable income is another factor. If a woman
brings home a paycheck, she feels freer to indulge in
her own hobbies with the money she's made.
I agree with those who have already mentioned it (so
many posts I am losing track!) that the creativity
aspect is a big factor. 


> I have been developing a theory that the rise of
> quilting (counted
> cross stitch/heirloom sewing/machine embroidery,
> etc) is due in part to
> the phenomenal rise of women in middle and upper
> management. 


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Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 20:13:28 -0500
From: "Pam Weeks Worthen" <pamworthen@hotmail.com>

Time for me to chime in with a little bit about my day job. I'm 
executive 
director of ABC Quilts (At-risk Baby Crib Quilts--ABCQ) and anyone 
interested can check us out in great detail at www.abcquilts.org. 
There have 
been recent postings about quilting in prisons, and teaching kids to 
quilt. 
We do both as just a part of our mission.

ABCQ was founded in 1988 in response to the plight of the 3,000 
"boarder 
babies" who were HIV/AIDS positive and abandoned by their parents to 
the 
care of hospitals. (Lots more details on the website) Our founders, 2 
NH 
grandmothers, felt compelled to do something about those babies, and 
organized their friends to start making quilts. 13 years later our 
international network of quilters has delivered more than 450,000 
quilts, 
and we've expanded our definition of "at-risk" to include babies 
affected by 
mom's drug abuse while pregnant.

Early on, founder Ellen Ahlgren realized what she had---a quilting 
based, 
community service project wrapped up in a substance abuse prevention 
education program, and has since written a couple of project books on 
how to 
use it in schools, youth groups, etc.

We are very grass roots, and reporting hasn't always been what it 
could be, 
but somewhere early on, one of the Connecticut Area Coordinators 
started a 
quilting program in her local prison. We have footage of the inmates 
making 
quilts on one of our videos. Local to our Home Office is a women's 
correctional institute. Each year they have a celebration, invite us 
up, 
sing spirituals and present us with about 150 quilts. I have a couple 
of 
very moving letters, one from a mom whose 4th crack baby received an 
ABCQ 
hospital quilt. that mom found herself in prison 4 months later, 
making ABC 
Quilts, finally feeling good enough about herself because she was 
able to 
give a little back.

We are proud of the fact that we emphasis teaching kids to quilt 
nearly as 
much as we place emphasis on delivering quilts to at-risk babies. 
The kids 
that we teach have the lessons they have usually already had about 
safe sex 
or abstinance, (the program is very flexible and can be adapted for 
age and 
audience appropriateness) and about substance abuse prevention, 
reinforced 
in the ABCQ sessions.

We all know what wonderful conversations can start up around a 
quilting 
frame, and our "bees" in schools, Girl or Boy Scout troops, synagog 
or 
Sunday schools are the same. Only here, the kids learn about the 
effects of 
drugs on the unborn. They learn that their actions have consequences, 
And 
the quilts they are making are really going to babies who need them, 
so they 
are doing community service.

The most successful programs in school are cross curricular with the 
history 
teacher coming in to do a unit on the Civil War quilts, or the Oregon 
Trail, 
the math teacher helping with a unit on estimating fabric needed, 
etc.....The other part of it is the self confidence that the kids 
gain when 
they complete a project.

I am very excited this week, as I am off to the NH STate Dept of 
Education 
to teach a unit on quilt construction and ABCQ to the Family and 
Consumer 
Science teachers workshop. The State is giving mini grants to 20 
schools to 
teach ABCQ--quilt-making incorporating HIV Prevention education as 
part of a 
school curriculum!! How cool is that?

Please feel free to e-mail me privately if you have any questions.

Pam in NH where someday the 2 inches of ice in my drive way might 
melt. 
Someday. and even the dog is afraid to go walkies!


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Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 21:21:21 -0500
From: "pepper cory" <pepcory@mail.clis.com>

Have been off QHL for the last three days and enjoyed reading posts
re:trends and how folks got into quilting, especially the 
philosophical
speculation as to how we might be remembered/represented in the 
future.
Perhaps the hippy-dippy, back-to-nature scene of the late '60's, 
early '70's
has not been cited much as being a quilt-influential period but for 
me,
that's what got me into the craft. I was a card-carrying Nature Girl,
complete with long skirt, a braid down to my rear end, and wearing 
army
boots when I tried quilting. Of course I was also into making my own 
soap,
canning, shearing sheep, spinning, and weaving but that came to an 
abrupt
halt when I met patchwork.
The recycling aspect of scrap quilting has imprinted me like no other 
type
of quilting. I still make quilts with hundreds of different fabrics. 
If you
look hard you might see silk, polyester, rayons, and wools amongst 
the
beloved cottons in my pieces. I am not the only quilter who's a 
hippy-dippy
child--anyone have the old book by Jean Ray Laury that shows JR 
herself
modeling a patchwork halter made of rabbit fur?!
Peace y'all.
Pepper

Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:25:07 -0600
From: "leigh/hcquilts" <hcquilts@peoplepc.com>

> I have been developing a theory that the rise of quilting 
(counted
> cross stitch/heirloom sewing/machine embroidery, etc) is due in 
part to
> the phenomenal rise of women in middle and upper management.

Well....I think you'd have to see whether there's a higher percentage 
of
quilters in these middle and upper-level jobs than the percentage of 
women
who are quilters in the general population. I also think you'd need 
to take
into consideration whether the greater disposable income of 
higher-income
women makes quilting more of a possibility; counted cross-stitch, for
example (very popular in my county, the poorest in Florida), is an 
extremely
inexpensive craft, requiring nothing more than embroidery floss, 
canvas, a
hoop, needles, and a chart, all of which can be purchased for less 
than the
cost of two yards of quilt-shop fabric.

I'd also suggest that women of the middle class occupying themselves 
with
handicrafts is nothing new: my genteel paternal great-great aunts 
filled
the house with china painting, tatting, quilling, needlepoint, drawn 
thread
work, knitted and crocheted items, AND quilts, while my maternal 
ancestors
were far too occupied with feeding a family of seven to indulge in 
anything
of the sort.

IOW, I think there's many more variables that need to be considered -
including the many women who by choice have never been involved in a
quilting group of any sort: we just quilt because we like to, not for 
any
"female bonding" experience..

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 09:20:31 -0600
From: Laura Hobby Syler <texas_quilt.co@airmail.net>

I've missed a few messages on this thread, so if I am repeating
something, sorry....
It was my experience in teaching classes at my shop from 1980-1985 
that,
indeed, employment level did not have any thing to do with it. I 
taught
6 evening classes a week (all beginning levels) with at least 15
students per class. Most were working women, but some were moms with
small children that waited until Dad was home to watch the kids.
Quilting was their therapy, and it also gave many of them the only
chance to have a conversation with someone over the age of 2!!!

As to disposable income...in the 5 years I had my shop I had only 2 
bad
checks and they were honest mistakes. ..both customers called to warn 
me
about the "disaster". However, I did on MANY occasions have customers
tell me that they were going to be eating mac & cheese or soup this 
week
because they had spent the grocery money on fabric and classes 
instead
<VBG>. There have been discussion in the past on "THE LIST" <G> 
about
the ties to the economic condition of the country and quiltmaking. 
When
times get tough, we cut back on what we buy, but the necessities of 
life
(food and shelter) continue. We still need blankets to keep our 
families
warm, but we may not be ordering them on line, or buying the most
expensive decorative sets for the bedroom. Though we may spend as 
much
or more for the materials and supplies to make a quilt (if one is
foolish enough to keep tabs on that kind of thing <G>) , there is
something about taking matters into our own hands to take care of our
families that makes us feel better. It's the touchey-feeley thing 
about
quilts that even in tough times makes us feel better. Like the 
comfort
food that we eat when we are not feeling well. Things that make us 
feel
secure and warm and loved. 

Then, yes, there is the creative outlet...Many of my peers admit that
they could not sew clothing (I'm first in that line!!! And my mother 
who
made all her and her two sisters clothes, including wedding gowns,
cringes at the thought - but I taught her to quilt!) Anyway, I
digress....even though we can certainly make a heck of a mess with
threads and snippets of fabric, it's not like paints and 
canvas'...and
usually doesn't have to dry for days till you can work on it again or
use it.
What is the quote..."We made the quilts warm so our families wouldn't
freeze. We made them beautiful so our hearts wouldn't break"....
I think that pretty much says it all

Laura Hobby Syler
In North Texas were it is currently snowing with a forecast of 4-6
inches by tomorrow (but it probably wont stick!!!)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:52:29 -0500
From: "Teddy Pruett" <Aprayzer@hotmail.com>

I laughed out loud at Pepper's description of the "hippy" days - boy, 
do =
I ever identify with that. My grandchildren don't believe my stories 
of =
the days of the flower child, when I lived on the top floor of an old 
=
Victorian house at the foot of Pike's Peak - my favorite weekend =
wardrobe was a pair of huge, faded, tattered old overalls that had 
once =
belonged to my best friend's grandfather. I went braless, wore a =
bandanna around my head, and walked my dog thru the mountains. What 
=
heaven that was. Those of you who know me probably can't picture 
that, =
but I was there.

Excuse me - I digress. I meant to put in my two cents on the 
discussion =
of economics and quilters. I have been on both ends of the spectrum 
- =
in the late 70's and early 80's, I could only buy my fabric from the 
10 =
cent bin at the Goodwill - and felt fortunate to have it. Didn't own 
a =
pair of decent scissors, had never heard of Gingher, and ripped all 
my =
fabrics. But I quilted, nonetheless. =20

As fate would have it, fortunately, I remarried in 83, and could then 
=
afford anything and everything my heart desired, thank-you-very-much. 
=
And I still quilted. Can you say :Bernina, Ginghers, Hoffman???? 
LOL

Now we are retired from owning a very lucrative business, and I 
ponder =
my purchases carefully now. And I still quilt. If you gotta, you =
gotta. Teddy Pruett, Lake City, FL



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Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 10:12:14 -0600
From: Laura Hobby Syler <texas_quilt.co@airmail.net>

Ahem...Teddy,
Those of us who know you can so perfectly picture you sporting comfy
overalls and bandana...no fooling us, sweetie!!!
Laura

T

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Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 11:10:54 CST
From: jocelynm@delphiforums.com


> The red is laid out in a quincunx, and the white is in the polar
> positions.
> I love precision! Now if it only comes up in general conversation, 
how
> learned I will appear.

Judy, 
There's also the heraldic 'en saltire', which means 'in an X shape'. 
When 
I look at quilt blocks, I classify them as 'saltire' or not. I find 
that
when using alternating blocks, I'm drawn to designs that alternate
saltire blocks with nonsaltire blocks.



Jocelyn

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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:50:27 -0600
From: "leigh/hcquilts" <hcquilts@peoplepc.com>

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1510374713

Can anyone educate me on this one?

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Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 13:19:45 -0500
From: "Kris Driessen, QuiltBus.com" <oldquilt@albanyweb.com>

Looking at 
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1510374713 
really close - is that a mattress pad? I wish the picture was better, the 
stenciling doesn't look like stenciling ...


This seller also has a "blue and white quilt" at auction, which she 
calls 
the "PURE SYMBOL OF RIGHT DOCTRINE" or "CATCH ME IF YOU CAN". It's 
also 
known as the swastika!

Kris

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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 14:05:12 EST
From: Chyral@aol.com
To: qhl@cuenet.com

> Looking at 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1510374713 
really 
> close - is that a mattress pad? I wish the picture was better, the 
> stenciling doesn't look like stenciling ...

Courtesy of an auction box lot, I have one (I can't bring myself to 
use the 
word "quilt") exactly - *exactly* - like this, lumpy batting and all.

The design is printed, rather than stenciled... call it "cheater 
applique 
medallion cloth". ;) The machine quilting pattern is the same as is 
found on 
like every mattress pad I've ever seen. And it really is just as 
yucky as 
it sounds.

-Cheryl

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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:56:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Ark Quilts <quiltarkmv@yahoo.com>

I just looked at a quilt like this at the Urbana Flea
Market (Ohio) last Saturday. It was not an antique &
it was machine quilted just like a mattress pad. It
had thin cotton & it was printed fabric in a
look-a-like stencil style. The price was less than
$50. It was very attractive, clean, & bright. This was
not an antique piece & the fabrics were not old. It
is a "cheater quilt" or "printed quilt". The
"waffled" machine quilting (just like in the eBay
close-up photo)is like what's available on many new
bedspreads in JCPenney, Sears, etc. It also had
commercially applied white binding. 

"SHE DATED THE QUILT SOMETIME BETWEEN 1856 AND EARLY
1900. THE SEWING MACHINE WAS INVENTED IN 1856 SO THATS
HER BEST ESTIMATION OF AGE." This is a direct quote
from the seller's description [LATE 1900 CENTURY RED &
WHITE EAGLE PEACE QUILT Item # 1510374713] and she
attributes it to the person the quilt was purchased
from. This is a good case of "buyer
beware".............. C. Ark


------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 12:02:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Ark Quilts <quiltarkmv@yahoo.com>

Also...........another note on this quilt item. Since
it is a style that might have been based on an actual
antique quilt........the original owner/seller could
have just meant by their explanation that the style of
the quilt was a copy of an antique style.........and
the current owner/seller might not have
understood..........(kindly giving the benefit of the
doubt as they say)...............The information
offered about the eagle facing the right to the olive
branch was interesting.....what does it mean when the
eagle faces to the left??????????????

This particular quilt reminds me of the design on the
bound cover of Rose Wilder Lane's book of American
Needlework. Over the years I've seen this pattern
done in red/white, gold/white, and blue/white---or at
least a style that is very similar to this red/white
specimen.

C. Ark

_------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:26:22 -0500
From: "Candace Perry" <candace@schwenkfelder.com>

About that eagle -- I've been told things by military collectors and
curators about eagles whose beaks are pointed up or down as looking 
toward
war or away from war, and though I've never heard of a left/right
connotation, it may mean something. The attitude of the eagle seems 
to have
had great significance to early to mid 19th century folk. Perhaps 
someone
else has heard of this, and can comment.

Candace Perry
Schwenkfelder Library & Heritage Center

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Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 12:39:19 -0800
From: Chris Flynn <lovechris@earthlink.net>

Ok.... Hello everyone.... happy to "enlighten" anyone interested 
about this
quilt.... I too have one, been in my shop for about a year and I 
can't off
load it for $35. I made the goof of buying from ebay, think I paid 
about 45
via ebay last year.... later, someone said it was a Sears quilt from 
about
1970's. I feel bad for this seller.... even with all the bidding, 
she got
"took". It's hard, at the auctions when you see something held up 
that
looks so stunning.... It's IMPORTANT TO ALWAYS PREVIEW!!!

One good use.... I hung it in front of the shop right after 9/11.

Buyer, better be ware!

hugs from California, Chris

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 16:02:53 -0500
From: Barb Garrett <bgarrett@fast.net>

Hello all, from cold PA --

jocelynm@delphiforums.com wrote:

> I think that there will come a time when the cheap quilts become 
less
> popular but that REAL quilting is not going to go away.

Jocelyn's comment above really made me smile -- that we define what 
we do as
REAL quilting. Please don't take offense, as none is meant, and I 
knew
exactly what you meant and were saying -- it's just more thinking 
about the
different vocabulary words we find in different areas, and how the 
same word
can mean different things to different people .......

I am very fortunate to have my feet in 2 different worlds of 
quilting, and the
members of both worlds believe they are doing real quilting. The 
first is
our world -- that of quilt shops, classes, shows, books, magazines,
lectures. And I love this world and am the first one to admit that 
most of
the time I begin a quilt because I finished (or almost finished) the 
last one,
or just because I want to play with a set of fabrics or a pattern, or 
as a
charity quilt. How else can I explain the 150 plus historic doll 
quilts I've
made in the last 15 years <grin>, or the file folders of quarter inch 
graph
paper filled with sketches of ideas for even more doll quilts?

But there's another world that's been around longer than we have -- 
the ladies
I work with and sometimes quilt with have never been to our type of 
quilt
shop, or to a quilt show. (Not even Lancaster, which is 45 minutes 
away).
They have very specific reasons for making a quilt -- a wedding, a 
baby, a
granddaughter moving into her first big girl bed, a school sale, or 
the
disaster relief auction are examples of the kinds of things they make 
quilts
for. They would not consider making a quilt whose purpose wasn't 
known
before starting. They will gather to quilt for a good cause or need 
at the
drop of a hat, but they don't study quilts and their designs -- other 
than to
keep track of what patterns and colors sell best at the auctions.

Yes, I agree that real quilting will continue, just as it's been 
around for
several hundred years, but the definition of "real" will continue to 
vary
depending on the group of people and the location. I remember my 
excitement
about 22 years ago when on a family vacation we went to Vermont and 
in a
quaint little town there was a store with Quilt Shop in it's name. 
I
couldn't wait to go inside, and was sorely disappointed when I did -- 
there
wasn't a quilting stitch in the entire place -- lots of pieced 
everythings --
but it was all knotted -- not a quilting stitch anywhere, and I did 
look --
hard. I said to my husband something like "I don't see any quilts" 
and was
overheard by the salesperson and we then discussed our regional 
differences in
what we called a quilt. Since it was pieced, it was a quilt to her. 
Since
it was knotted, it was a comforter to me -- doesn't matter what the 
surface
looks like -- pieced, applique or a solid piece of fabric -- without 
quilting
stitches done either by hand or machine, it's not a quilt.

So, there are lots of definitions of "real" quilts -- we know what 
"our"
definition is -- but I bet there are a lot of people who were very 
excited
when they bought a "real" imported quilt.

Barb in southeastern PA

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 13:50:21 -0800 
From: "Amerine, Anne" <amerinea@littongcs.com>

>Hi,
>I usually lurk, but I want to respond to this. I'm an engineering 
manager
>for a huge aerospace firm. Most of my colleagues are men. Most of 
my
>customers are men. But that doesn't have anything to do with my 
interest
in quilting. 
>I fell in love with hand-made quilts in the late 60's after seeing 
my first
>one, but didn't have a clue how to make one. There is no quilting
tradition >in my family. I couldn't afford to buy one when I finally 
saw
some for sale some years later, so I taught myself to quilt from the 
meager
sources >available at the time. Cardboard templates and scissors. 
Orange
and brown >and olive green fabric, oh my. 
>There was a pause of several years when I didn't have the time to 
continue
>quilting using the old methods. But when the new tools and fabrics 
started
>coming out, I was off and running. I think the rotary cutter has to 
be the
>single most important contributor to the rise of the modern rush to 
quilt.
>Follow that with the fabric now available, and there's no going 
back.
>Anne Amerine
>Los Angeles

Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 21:09:37 -0600
From: "leigh/hcquilts" <hcquilts@peoplepc.com>


"Pure Symbol of Right Doctirine" is Carrie Hall's ID (p.94, #21). 
Khin also
IDs it as Battle As of Thor, Chinese 10,000 Perfections, Favorite of 
the
Peruvians, Heart's Seal, Mound Builders, and Wind Power of the 
Osages.
Considering how many times it pops up in 1875-1920 images 
(advertising,
fabric, tile, you name it) it's no surprise it's got so many names.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 21:49:19 -0600
From: "leigh/hcquilts" <hcquilts@peoplepc.com>

Quotes from all you folks:

Looking at 
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1510374713
really close - is that a mattress pad? I wish the picture was 
better, the
stenciling doesn't look like stenciling ...
________________________

Courtesy of an auction box lot, I have one (I can't bring myself to 
use the
word "quilt") exactly - *exactly* - like this, lumpy batting and all. 
The
design is printed, rather than stenciled... call it "cheater applique
medallion cloth". ;) The machine quilting pattern is the same as is 
found
on like every mattress pad I've ever seen. And it really is just 
as yucky
as it sounds.
_________________________

I too have one, been in my shop for about a year and I can't off load 
it for
$35. I made the goof of buying from ebay, think I paid about 45 via 
ebay
last year.... later, someone said it was a Sears quilt from about 
1970's.
_________________________

I just looked at a quilt like this at the Urbana Flea Market (Ohio) 
last
Saturday. It was not an antique &
it was machine quilted just like a mattress pad. It had thin cotton 
& it
was printed fabric in a
look-a-like stencil style. The price was less than $50. It was very
attractive, clean, & bright. This was
not an antique piece & the fabrics were not old. It is a "cheater 
quilt" or
"printed quilt". The "waffled" machine quilting (just like in the 
eBay
close-up photo)is like what's available on many new bedspreads in 
JCPenney,
Sears, etc. It also had commercially applied white binding.

"SHE DATED THE QUILT SOMETIME BETWEEN 1856 AND EARLY 1900. THE SEWING
MACHINE WAS INVENTED IN 1856 SO THATS HER BEST ESTIMATION OF AGE." 
This is
a direct quote
from the seller's description [LATE 1900 CENTURY RED & WHITE EAGLE 
PEACE
QUILT Item # 1510374713] and she attributes it to the person the 
quilt was
purchased from. This is a good case of "buyer
beware".............. the original owner/seller could have just meant 
by
their explanation that the style of the quilt was a copy of an 
antique
style.........and the current owner/seller might not have
understood..........(kindly giving the benefit of the doubt as they
say)...............

C. Ark

_______________________________________

Thanks, folks, for assuring me I don't need new glasses quite yet :)

C., your kindness aside, apparently seller DOES believe the quilt is
1856-1900. First, note that she dates the quilt in part based on the 
machine
stitching, and upon inquiry, seller stated not that the info was from 
the
party from whom she bought the quilt, but that she asked a friend who 
does
appraising of quilts, and the information in the auction is what this
"appraiser" told her. "Could this be the "friend who is president of 
the
quilters guild" she mentions in the listing? (Can we safely assume 
this
appraiser is not AQS certified?) Seller also says that there are 2 
seams in
the fabric, about 18" from each side, and that there is no binding - 
the
edge is just "turned in and sewed down".

Have you seen that the bidding is now up to $127.50 on this piece?

Incidentally, AFAIK the eagle facing left, toward the olive leaves, 
is the
way it appears in all US iconography (check the back of an old 
quarter to
see); so it would make sense that a "Colonial" design would be in the 
same
form.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 06:35:42 -0500
From: "Zendelle Bouchard" <zendelle@indri.mv.com>

Is it considered a bad thing (or a violation of eBay rules) to warn a 
bidder
that what they are bidding on is being misrepresented? Or is it even 
worse
to let them get taken? I know it's "buyer beware" but we need to help 
each
other out too. If I was bidding on something that was being 
misrepresented I
would want to know. Maybe the thing to do would be to ask the seller 
to
amend the listing, in light of the information that has been gathered 
here,
and then to warn the bidders if he/she refuses? I would like to hear 
what
you all think about this.
Zendelle in NH

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:35:22 -0600
From: "leigh/hcquilts" <hcquilts@peoplepc.com>


folksyquilt.jpg (44684 bytes)

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1511014601

Interesting, odd, and very folky! (click on the thumbnail)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 9:57:50 CST
From: jocelynm@delphiforums.com


On Sun, 3 Feb 2002 06:55:47 -0600 "leigh/hcquilts" wrote:
scraps
> and did
(Does anybody but me who lived through the first 
> Disco
> Age feel that the current '70s revival is some sort of punishment 
for 
> us by
> the Fashion Goddesses? LOL)

Leigh,
I'm back on the same campus where I did my undergrad in the late 
1970s. I 
was at a bus stop yesterday, and realized I was the ONLY person at 
the
stop who didn't have a frayed semi-circle at the back of their jeans
legs, which was wicking up the snow and slush to become a sodden 
mess. <G>
Remember when it was a DISGRACE to have your socks show? Now, the 
girls
don't even care if their bras show....



Jocelyn

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:21:52 EST
From: KareQuilt@aol.com


I suggest contacting the seller first. When I first started browsing 
eBay, I 
contacted a couple of sellers who had quilts with incorrect 
information. Both 
of them thanked me and changed their posting. Now, sellers may not 
respond 
in this way in every instance (of course!), but IMHO out of courtesy, 
it is 
worth a shot. If the seller doesn't choose to accept a knowledgeable 
person's 
insights/opinions, then I would warn the seller. If you get your 
hand 
slapped in the process by someone, then you will at least have your 
"experience" on hand to help you decide whether to "take it on" 
another time. 
<g>

Karen

Karen B. Alexander
Quilt Historian
Women's History Reflected in the Needlearts

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:21:09 -0600
From: Laura Hobby Syler <texas_quilt.co@airmail.net>


Why does this remind me of the Dear Jane Quilt????
Laura


leigh/hcquilts wrote:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1511014601

> Interesting, odd, and very folky!

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:07:17 -0500
From: "Candace Perry" <candace@schwenkfelder.com>


In the early 20th century when the term counterpane is used, would it 
more
correctly be referring to a quilt or a woven coverlet? Or is it 
strictly a
matter of the individual? How about a bedspread (in the early 20th
century)?

Thanks again,
Candace Perry
Schwenkfelder Library & Heritage Center


Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:20:29 -0600
From: "leigh/hcquilts" <hcquilts@peoplepc.com>


>Is it considered a bad thing (or a violation of eBay rules) to warn 
a
bidder
>that what they are bidding on is being misrepresented?

It's STRICTLY forbidden by ebay ("auction interference"), and with 
IMHO good
reason: before the policy was introduced, it was unfortunately not 
uncommon
for unscrupulous sellers to email bidders on their competitors' 
auctions and
claim the item was fradulent, that the competitor was a scam artist, 
or that
the other bidders on the auction were shills. Ebay has also 
instituted a
policy whereby the only way for parties who are not in a 
seller/bidder
relationship to contact each other is through an ebay filter, 
presumably to
discourage auction interference and off-ebay deals.

So how could this play out? Third party contacts Bidder about 
Seller's
auction, warning Bidder that the item is not as represented. Bidder 
takes
third party's warning seriously and withdraws her bid. Seller 
naturally
emails to find out why, and Bidder informs her of the helpful email, 
perhaps
even forwarding a copy. Seller reports the interference to ebay, 
either
forwarding the email or noting the withdrawing bidder's ID; ebay can 
then
ascertain the ID of the helpful third party.

Now if the bidder uses an email address as her ebay ID, obviously she 
could
be contacted directly; however you are then depending on her not to 
reveal
your ID to ebay. But if *you* received an unsolicited email saying 
"That
item you bid on is bogus, but don't tell anybody it was I who told 
you so,"
would you take it seriously? Or would you forward a copy of that 
email to
the seller, asking "Hey, what's up?" Sorry, too risky for my taste.

Considering that the penalty for auction interference is not merely 
getting
your hand slapped but being rendered NARU (being barred from ebay), I 
would
strongly recommend against anyone taking such action.

However, as far as I can tell from ebay regs, it is NOT an ebay 
violation to
contact any or all of the bidders immediately AFTER the auction has 
ended.
But I don't intend to be part of any test case, so to speak :) 
Others have
apparently taken it upon themselves to bid on the questionable item 
for the
sole purpose of withdrawing the bid so they can leave a comment as to 
why.
I am often told I have big brass ones, but even IMHO that's over the 
top -
it just begs for retaliation.

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Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 00:31:09 -0600
From: Becky Sunderman <sewcarve@cei.net>


I have been reading the comments about quilts being sold on
eBay with interest, as I am auctioning some of my quilts there
now, and have had some up for auction that did not sell in the
last month. They were bought at an estate sale, along with
quite a bit of older fabric. While I've tried to date them by
their fabric content, using "Dating Fabrics", "Clues in the
Calico" and other such references, and have tried to identify
the block patterns, using B. Brackman's Encyclopedia, I would
welcome any corrections, suggestions, ideas or thoughts
contrary to what I've posted in the listings. I'd much rather
KNOW than guess, as it only benefit potential bidders who,
like myself, may not be as knowledgeable as others.
My seller ID is the same as my email address.
Thanks,

Becky Sunderman

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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:41:48 +0100
From: "pittsace" <pittsace@isp.gds.net>
To: <QHL@cuenet.com>


One recent post on the list mentioned youngsters "find it [sewing] is 
too
slow and
methodical compared to the rest of their world."

My experience has been a bit different. The teens I've taught are 
very
focused sponges. They :want: to sew only what interests them, be it 
a pair
of pajama pants, a quilt block, or a CD holder as a first project.
Otherwise there will be no second project.

One teen made two machine-pieced, machine-quilted tops in eight 
months, her
third and fourth sewing projects after elastic waist pants and a 
quilted
pillowtop. Both quilts were "Attic Windows" blocks, not the usual
beginner's pattern, but the one she chose.

When I asked if she had considered taking sewing as an elective at
school, she was horrified. Why?

An "A+" grade in a sewing class would LOWER her GPA (grade point 
average).
She was competing for scholarships awarded to the class 
valedictorian, and
could only stay in the running if
all her classes were honors classes, with the accompanying higher 
points
earned.

How ironic that she couldn't learn to sew at school... and how 
fortunate we
are that she was determined enough to find another way to learn to 
sew.

Best,

Valerie Taber
(currently living in S. Germany)

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Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 06:39:24 -0600
From: "Ann G. Hubbard" <ahubbard@cdoc.net>


I have read that when the eagle faces the direction of the arrows it 
indicates war. I batiked some eagles last fall. The pattern was from 
the 
Woman's Day Book of Needlework published in the early 60s. It was 
originally meant to be a hooked rug pattern. I gave one to each of my 
gds 
at the time, with the Pledge of Allegiance printed underneath, banner 
form. 
They are both 5 and will be learning the pledge soon. I'm glad to see 
our 
country turn in a more patriotic direction. Ann from Lake of the 
Ozarks, MO

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Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 08:42:03 -0600
From: Laura Hobby Syler <texas_quilt.co@airmail.net>


Kathleen,
One remark I have heard much too often while presenting quilt history
lectures, mainly from older women, i.e.: post depression 
homemakers...
"We had enough money to buy blankets. We didn't have to make quilts."
Quite a loaded statement as to the social views of the time as well.
Laura


Kathlash@aol.com wrote:

> If you look at the styles popular during this time period, i.e. 
boomerang
> tables, etc, everything had hard edges, even the upholstery fabrics 
used at
> the time were not made for the tactile experience, I think this may 
partially
> explain its loss of popularity at the time. Couple that with the 
fact that
> our Moms, though "stay at home" was the choice of most I knew, were 
busy
> making us "baby boomers" and "home making". I remember my Mom 
sewing
> curtains, making home made doughnuts, and fresh squeezed orange 
juice, but no
> quilts. The style seemed to be matching curtains and bedspreads, 
from my
> recollection, having been born in '52.

> Kathleen Lashley

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Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 09:31:06 -0500
From: Newbie Richardson <pastcrafts@erols.com>


Dear all,
We have language in order to describe things and events. As in all
areas, not everyone is precise in their use of terms. Barring 
regional
differences, those of us who do know the apropriate nominclature for 
an
object should continue to correct the wrong use of vocabulary.
So: a counterpane is the top covering of a bed - regardless of the
style or technique used to create it. A coverlet is a woven "spread" 
-
as in jacquard coverlet. Then there is a "comforter": two or more 
layers
of fabric joined by ties. A quilt is also two or more layers of 
fabric
joined by a decorative stitching design. Is it properly refered to as 
a
"quilt" if there is no batting? I am not sure. To me "quilt" is the
verb, the actual decorative stitching design. So that "quilt", the 
noun,
can either have batting or not, but it does have to have two layers 
of
fabric: a top and a backing. The technique used to create the design:
patchwork or applique, or stenciling are the decorative features.
Needless to say language changes over time so that one does have to 
be
aware of what the common usage of a word was at the time it was used. 
That is why the Oxford English Dictionary is so valuable. A "quilt" 
in
17th and 18th century inventories was more likely a quilted 
petticoat.
A "bed" was the makings of the bed - feather mattress, etc. The term
did not refer to the bed stead - the furniture part. A bed "rug" was 
a
very heavy top covering thatwas usually made by a hooking technique. 
Today, we use the term "bed" to mean the whole package: mattress, box
spring, frame, head and foot.
Every generation has a group of people who speak in "generic" 
terms.
It may be that I have my finger in the dyke - but I do believe that 
it
is our responsibility to correct improper usage when it is polite to 
do
so! And to note regional differences when they actually exist. TV 
and
radio have done a good job of evening out some of the more colorful
regionalisms in the under 30 set who grew up with them.
Newbie

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Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 09:59:01 -0600
From: Laura Hobby Syler <texas_quilt.co@airmail.net>


Newbie, 
At least here in Texas, we call those "tops" that are backed with no
batting, but do have finished edges..."summer spreads".
Laura



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Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 11:39:00 -0500
From: "Judy Kelius (judysue)" <judysue@ptd.net>

I note that the seller of the 1970's or so Eagle "Quilt" relisted it 
since 
it did not meet reserve the first time, but she took out the 
declaration of 
it being 19th century. I had written her telling her that it was not 
antique and not hand-made, and probably other people did too. The 
relisting 
is at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1511607364.

eaglekit.jpg (67671 bytes) By the way, in my stash of old quilt collectibles, I found an ad from Woman's Day July 1956 for a kit very similar to this quilt, but with more detail. ( Click on the thumbnail)

This also came in other colors. I've seen the printed quilt like the one being sold on eBay often, but 
don't recall seeing one of the hand-sewn ones from this kit.


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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:12:14 -0800
From: "Laurette Carroll" <rj.carroll@verizon.net>

Hello QHLers,

Judy, thanks for posting a picture of that eagle quilt. I don't think 
I
have ever seen that particular kit/quilt.

The one I have seen many times is the eagle quilt kit put out by the
Paragon Pattern Co., American Glory, (see Twentieth Century Quilts,
Woodard and Greenstein). This is often mistaken for a 19th. C quilt 
by
sellers.

Laurette Carroll
Southern California

Look to the Future with Hope

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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:13:51 -0500
From: "Fran" <fjfitz@erols.com>

In response to recent question on 20th C definition.. having been 
raised by
two Victorian ladies their vocabulary was somewhat dated for the 20th 
C,
they always referred to white woven bedspreads, very similar to 
Marseilles
as counterpanes, and so I think of them as that, not the woven 
coverlets of
color which we see with names woven in them. Fran in dismal cold,
Frederick County

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Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 12:10:13 CST
From: jocelynm@delphiforums.com
To: sister3603@yahoo.com


On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:24:28 -0800 (PST) Judy Schwender wrote:

> I don't think the level of employment has anything to
> do with it. I think the fact that so many women work
> outside the home period is a big factor. 

Not to mention, there's the women who have a 'lunch hour' that 
they're
expected to take every day, but they don't want to go out to eat or 
go
shopping every day (or work in an area where there's no interesting 
place 
to go), so they bring needlework and do it over the lunchhour! Or 
offices 
where you can get by with doing needlework during a meeting, or while 
on
the phone.

Jocelyn

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Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:22:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Kris Driessen <krisdriessen@yahoo.com>

Poor woman probably can't figure out why her visitor count is so high
but no one is bidding!

I do like that quilt, though. 

Kris


--- "Judy Kelius (judysue)" <judysue@ptd.net> wrote:
> I note that the seller of the 1970's or so Eagle "Quilt" relisted
> it since 
> it did not meet reserve the first time, but she took out the
> declaration of 
> it being 19th century. I had written her telling her that it was
> not 
> antique and not hand-made, and probably other people did too. The
> relisting 
> is at:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1511607364.

> By the way, in my stash of old quilt collectibles, I found an ad
> from 
> Woman's Day July 1956 for a kit very similar to this quilt, but
> with more 
> detail. If you're interested in seeing it, I've posted a scan at 
> http://home.ptd.net/~judysue/eaglekit.jpg. This also came in other
> colors. 
> I've seen the printed quilt like the one being sold on eBay often,
> but 
> don't recall seeing one of the hand-sewn ones from this kit.


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Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 19:36:39 -0500
From: "Kris Driessen, QuiltBus.com" <oldquilt@albanyweb.com>

I received this note from a teacher - can anyone help him? Please 
respond 
to the list as well as pmeinhold2000@yahoo.com, this is an 
interesting topic.

Kris

Hello to fellow quilters,
I am a teacher in a Rochester, NY high school. To celebrate 
Black 
History Month our school has decided to create a quilt, where each 
piece 
commemorates a certain person, group or event in our local history. 
We 
hope to discover a lot of important "average" people, as well as 
learn more 
about Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, and other
more famous people from our area.
Each person will write an essay about their subject - long or 
short 
- and then illustrate it via paints or computer generated transfer 
images. We'll caption each piece with some text, the person's name, 
and 
then a small photo of the author.
We would appreciate any ideas and/or experiences that others 
can 
share with us, and especially hope to find other quilters or even a 
"quilting circle" in the Rochester / Upstate area.
Thanks for any information and encouragement that you can 
share.

Peter Meinhold,
Benjamin Franklin High School
1150 Hudson Ave, Rochester, NY , 14621
pmeinhold2000@yahoo.com

 

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