Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 22:40:05 -0500 From: "Junior/Peggy McBride"
This is rather an aside, but you need to remember that the large majority of women who went west, did not go because it was their idea. Many went because they had no choice. The head of the family, whether it be husband or father or whatever came home one day an said we are going west. I highly recommend the series of booksCovered Wagon Women, Diaries +ACY- Letters from the Western Trails. Edited and Compiled by Kenneth L. Holmes. These books have been reprinted by the University of Nebraska Press in paper back. Peggy Mc
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 04:11:58 +0000 From: "Anne Copeland"
Yes, I guess I could buy that it was a fad to do that, and women followed the fads. I guess though, that in the end, it is all just conjecture -- truly interesting though it is, until we actually find some real documented evidence of such. Yes, fads could be a genuine explanation for sure. I remember how many crazy quilts I have seen with political ribbons of the times, and that surely was a fad. But, albeit a fad, we could not ascribe any special meaning to it. I think in fact, the only way that we know it was a fad is that there are so many of them. Love and light always, Annie
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 04:56:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Judy Schwender
I watched all 6 hours of Frontier House last weekend. I have had a dialog with the director of programming here at the PBS station where I work. I told him that it is nice that PBS has a hit with this one, but not to pat ourselves on the back too readily. If you care to read it, here is my major posting to him as to why.
I liked Frontier House. While it is very enjoyable television, in my opinion, I would not call it "living history". More of a sociological experiment. And definitely with "Survivor" shadings. Many, many opportunities presented themselves where information about the times could have been worked in. For instance, when Kristen talked about having a baby on the frontier, I never did learn if: midwifery was common, did doctors assist, did husbands deliver many of their babies, what was the state of germ control in regard to obstetrics of the period? How many wives died in childbirth? In regard to the two teenaged girls: mention was made about "well, I'd be married by now" but no depth was added. What was the average age at which frontier girls married? How many frontier brides married men with existing families? What did a young frontier bride take with her to her marriage?
In the resolution episode, the Clunes were found to be short on winter feed for their animals because the late hay they cut had no nutritive value. Why is this so? Was this native grass? No mention was made of native grass. (One reason why Custer lost at Little Big Horn: his horses were grain-fed and would not eat the belly-high native Montana grasses.) Obviously this would be particularly important for survival. There was a bit on the website about the two girls losing Adrian Clune's needle. She then couldn't sew until a trip was made to Hop Sing's store. Adrian did talk about not having time to make quilts like she thought she would, and then no mention was made of the quilts that were made ahead of time for the trip west. How many changes of clothing would homesteaders have brought with them?
All of the women bemoaned the amount of time they were chained to the stove and sink. Apparently, most homesteaders didn't wash dishes- they were wiped out with sand or a rag. My impression (from other sources) of homesteading was a big cooked meal for breakfast, with enough leftovers for a midday meal, then put something on to stew for supper so the cook (wife) could join in the wood cutting, haying, whatever. That seems efficient to me. I don't recall any mention of time management. Adrian Clune's breads were beautiful, but did she maybe spend too much time on them, when something just as filling could be made more quickly?
Kristen was cursing baking powder and baking soda and what's the difference. Well, what is the difference? The show never answered the question. I've focused on just a few possibilities here. The series was great for teasing questions in the viewer's mind, but failed at following through. As regards "new stuff" being used instead of the real thing [the Land's End quilt issue]. I consider that a historical non-issue, and irrelevant to the big question of the value of FH. An enamel pot from 1883 would be too beat up for use today. Likewise a quilt: the fabrics wouldn't last a week if the quilt were a true 119 year old textile. The day-to-day mechanics of using the tools of the period is what is important, not whether the tools were certifiably antique. I mean, how many kids today have had the chance to jam the keys on an early Remington manual typewriter (the original "crash")? That's the aspect of "stuff" where the series failed. Was stainless steel available then? If not, how much of an issue was something as simple as rust? All this may seem like picky stuff.
But 1900 House was much more forthcoming about how the technologies and social mores informed the way our forefathers lived. FH is a video of 21st century group dynamics, not an informative, enlightening look at what our great-grandparents did to settle the west and whether we could measure up to their example. And that is too bad, because inform and enlighten is what PBS does best, and what our viewers expect. Why abdicate the turf to the History or Discovery channels? If PBS doesn't do it, who will? Those channels will. And the best part was Logan Patton at the end, saying, "I think I learned.......... imagination."
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 08:58:59 -0400 From: Newbie Richardson
The warning about glues and starches in textiles attracting bugs refers to those adhesives which have either wheat or rice as their base. It is the organic nature of the glue that attracts the insects. Our most commonly used glues today are based on petroleum derivatives. Most fusables are a form of nylon or polyester which, when heated, melt to bond the fabrics together. So as long as you are not cooking up your own batch of glue with water and flour, then I do not think that the bugs will be interested! Although, they say that cockroaches have lasted for so many thousands of years because of their ability to adapt...think they will adapt to eating petroleum based products?...yuk! Newbie
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:24:53 EDT From: Midnitelaptop@aol.com To:
thank you so much newbie... your explanation really made sense...i looked on the label of the liquid starch that i dilute and one of the ingredients is corn starch..i guess that might be a problem thanks again for the logical explanation. jeanL
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 07:52:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Judy Schwender
I should add that my programming director appreciated my critique, thought it was good. Said I had "good instincts". Hopefully I got the group's point across. Thanks to everyone who watched and discussed FH.
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 9:47:37 CST From: firstname.lastname@example.org To:
The germ theory was known by that time, and antisepsis was the cutting edge of medicine. I would guess that a lot of husbands delivered babies. Farmers deliver animal babies all the time, so it isn't as if the average frontier husband would be as useless as the average city-boy husband. <G> Probably depended upon how close the neighbor was. If you haven't read Grace Snyders 'No Time on My Hands', by all means, run don't walk to your bookstore. She was a contemporary, both of FRONTIER HOUSE and Laura Ingalls Wilder, whose three wishes, as a girl, were to see the top side of a cloud, to marry a cowboy, and to make the most beautiful quilt in the world. Her book is about how she made her wishes come true.
In regard to the two teenaged > girls: mention was made about "well, I'd be married by > now" but no depth was added. Perhaps girls married young on the prairie, but census records don't bear out the legend that the average bride was a teen. Waiting to marry, particularly to work awhile to have more to bring to the marriage, was also common. A woman could teach school only while she was a spinster.
In the resolution episode, the Clunes were found to be > short on winter feed for their animals because the > late hay they cut had no nutritive value. Why is this > so? You've got to cut hay while the seed heads are still attached. If you wait till the seeds have blown away, you don't have hay, you have straw. Watch kids at a petting zoo trying to feed the animals 'hay'- inevitably it's not hay, it's straw, and the animals know the difference between bedding and dinner. <G>
>Kristen was cursing baking powder and > baking soda and what's the difference. Well, what is > the difference? The show never answered the question. Same difference that there is today, I suppose. Baking soda is bicarbonate of soda (Sodium bicarbonate); baking powder is baking soda and cream of tartar mixed together. I don't know why the difference, though- just that you don't want to directly substitute one for the other.
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:20:42 -0500 From: "Avalon" <email@example.com> To:
PBS in Madison, Wisconsin is already having a re-run of this series. The note in the newsletter: By popular demand and acclaim Frontier House returns starting this Sunday 19, 8:00 PM. Frontier House. Parts two and three will air on Monday, May 20 and Tuesday, May 21, at 8 PM both nights. This late change gives you a chance to join or start the water cooler conversation on the great hit of Spring sending three families back to the American frontier to see how they can survive. Mary in Wisconsin
------------------------------Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 08:16:09 +0100 From: "Sally Ward"
t I've just seen a review for a book called 'Signs and Sumbols: African Images in African Amercian Quilts' by Maude Southwell Wahlman, published 2001. Its not the sort of book I'm likely to find in a bookshop over here to browse before buying, so I wondered if anyone could give me their view on it (privately if you prefer) Sally W in UK Sally.D.Ward@btinternet.com
ate: Sat, 18 May 2002 10:14:19 +0000 From: "Karen Bush"
I know, I know,....it's been a decade or so since I posted, but,...here I am. If you get the Q=Bee posts and digests, I'll be posting the same message, just thought I'd save ya time. :) It's been hectic around here to say the least. I'd LIKE to say more, but, that would be boring! haha I'm sitting here, it's 5:00 a.m., I've been up for an hour already. I was Supposed to be at my FIRST Market today, with Red Wagon's booth, but,...noooooooooooooo. Had to be the LAST person in town to contract the gawd-awful stomach flu YESTERDAY! ughhhhhh...
I only live about an hour away from downtown K.C., but, I don't DRIVE that area, ..so, if I'd gone and then got or stayed sick...I'd be stuck and so would everybody else around me. They'd love me, wouldn't they? Spread those good 'ole germs! So, here I am, and FINALLY posting to the list! I'm going to Try to do better with my posting, really! Honest! I've said that before, but, life just keeps getting in the way. That and dd is a web designer and hogs the computer! LOL... Ok, better shut up for now, just wanted to say 'hi' :) kb http://www.karenbushquilts.com Member of TAS-The Applique Society http://www.geocities.com/richmond64085/Myhistory.htm Karen Bush MAKE PEACE WITH DUST BUNNIES
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 09:37:20 EDT From: Midnitelaptop@aol.com
Editorial Reviews Book Description African-American quilts possess two unique qualities: more than any other American visual art, they most fully realize the expressive force of jazz, and they bind together generations of African-American families who have made and cherished quilts. In Signs and Symbols, quilt expert Maude Southwell Wahlman introduces readers to a third powerful force in these quilts: their African-derived meanings, patterns, and iconography. She explores the religious, ritual, philosophical, and aesthetic beliefs that have been retained by descendants of Africans in the New World and demonstrates how these beliefs are represented in their textiles. Now back in print, Signs and Symbols remains the most complete illustrated work on this art form; featuring over 150 high-quality full-color reproductions. jeanL
Date: Sat, 18 May 02 17:22:58 -0600 From: woodford
Sort of a sidebar here. I have often wondered about more than several of my quilts that have an odd-colored patch in one corner. Such as a red patch in an all black and white quilt, an orange patch in a peach quilt, a green patch in a blue quilt, etc. All these are in the corner, and rather than accepting that this was the so-called intentional mistake, I have come up with a purpose. Have you ever tried to figure out how to put a quilt that is almost square onto the bed? Which is the long end? You end up folding it on the diagonal, right? Well, if you have one odd patch, you can just remember that goes on bottom right (or left) or whatever. This may not have been any intended function, but I like it. Barbara Woodford