Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 11:25:43 -0800
From: nomad1ibm.net
Hi Diane & All,
My dog quilt as I call it is a double axe quilt which has many florals
in blue,green,pink,red,purple etc.etc.Also solids,stripes,polka dots etc
A real scrap quilt.
One of the most interesting prints is a double chinned lamb with a
garland around the neck gamboling amongst flowers. Its very 1930's as you
must have gathered & Diane , its a rag quilt as you say. I think its a
good idea using the original fabric,thanks for the tip--it all helps! The
prints really appeal to me, so I will keep it as a " mad" quilt to try my
hand restoring it.
Hi to Kath too---your quilt sounds very interesting , hope you guys
manage to save it. Let us know how it goes o.k.

Also Barb in snowy Minnesota , do not despair re your daughter's lack of
interest re your gifts. I failed Home Economics,sewing etc. Could not
even get into the skirt I made due to something I did to the seams blah!
blah! I felt any idiot who could read can cook using a cookery book etc
when required. So, basically I was a nightmare to my poor Home Econ.
mistress & my mother who is a great cook etc. This all changed however
when I had my own children. I started to learn sewing 30----better
late than never I think--the main thing is I was interested in learning
now, not then. My dear Mother is still recovering from shock!
Great your son is already into it--maybe you could make a quilt FOR your
daughter of a few of HER favourite things---then watch her!!!
Pat that lovely snow for me!
Hiranya-Sydney Australia

------------------------------

Date: 05 Feb 97 11:04:39 EST
From: "Patricia L. Lyons" <72134.3643CompuServe.COM>
To: Quilt Heritage List <qhlcue.com>
Subject: QHL: A book and a question
Message-ID: <970205160438_72134.3643_IHC116-1CompuServe.COM>

Gail Wagner mentioned Elizabeth Roseberry Mitchell's graveyard quilt. I am in
the midst of reading a book by Linda Otto Lipsett called Elizabeth Roseberry
Mitchell's Graveyard Quilt: an American pioneer saga. Published by Halstead &
Meadows Publishing of Dayton, OH, in 1995. Price is $18.95 and ISBN is
0-9629399-2-7. It is well researched (14 pp. of footnotes, and 16 pp. of
Sources), and still a FASCINATING read. Turns out there was a practice
graveyard quilt top before the quilt that we know today. Definitely a title to
add to your TBR (to be read) list, if not to a Buy List!
And now a query to the wisdom of the group. Over New Year's we visited
Jefferson's Monticello. In the archeology exhibit in the basement ("downstairs"
as the docents called it - but definitely a basement!) there is a reproduction
of a painting by the German artist John Lewis Krimnel (don't you suspect the
name has been anglicized?) called "The Quilting Frolic" and dated 1813. It
depicts a finished quilt being cut out of the quilting frame while preparations
are obviously being made for a celebration. Nothing else in the exhibit had to
do with quilting. The placard described the painting as illustrative of the
types of entertainment that would have been held at Monticello during
Jefferson's time. It did NOT say that the artist had depicted an event at
Monticello.
Now my question: the quilt pattern depicted in the pattern was Garden Maze, a
pattern that I think of as dating from later in the 19th Century (but that's why
I call myself a student of quilt history, and not a quilt historian or
researcher!). Does anyone know of this painting or painter? What about the
history of the Garden Maze pattern? It struck me that the painter depicted not
only what was being quilted (if he was depicting an actual event), but also a
pattern that must have been somewhat familiar to his eyes, and one that made a
particularly attractive (read visual) image.
And no, in early VERY COLD January, there were no docents around to ask!
All ruminations, speculations, and even answers welcome!

Pat Lyons in blah (but not snowing or bitter cold!) South Bend Indiana

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 11:56:36 -0500 (EST)
From: QuiltFixeraol.com
To: QHLcue.com
Subject: Re: QHL: Fwd: QuiltBiz Digest 1.27.97
Message-ID: <970205115304_582383471emout08.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-01-29 19:15:00 EST, you write:

<<
I saw this post on Quiltbiz, >>
Hi, if you have a few minutes, could you send me the information on Quiltbiz?

Your QHL friend, Toni

QuiltFixeraol.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:48:41 -0500 (EST)
From: QuiltFixeraol.com
To: QHLcue.com
Subject: Re: QHL: Fwd: QuiltBiz Digest 1.27.97
Message-ID: <970205115255_-1543260946emout18.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-01-29 19:15:00 EST, you write:

<<
I saw this post on Quiltbiz, >>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 13:30:12 -0500
From: Ricki Maietta <rmaiettacsrlink.net>
To: QHLcuenet.com
Subject: QHL: wave & Quakers
Message-Id: <199702051818.KAA29004orbital.cue.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Cinda asked about the wave quilting pattern. I heard about it from Hazel
Carter, who did some appraisal work on our museum's Quaker quilt last year.
When I did the antique quilt exhibit last summer, Hazel came. One of the
quilts on loan was an early 1800s chintz broderie perse - really a special
quilt - like the ones at the DAR. Hazel was quite impressed, & started
telling me about this wave quilting pattern. It wasn't until after she left
that I realized that this quilt apparantly has the wave quilting pattern.
(Duh! I never said I was smart!)

There is mention of it, & poor pictures, in the British Quilt book by Janet Roe.

It's basically just a zig zag of quilting lines, about 1/2 inch apart, over
the entire background of the quilt. But seems to be a pattern attributable
to Irish women.

On another subject, Quakers using silks, they did. Same museum has 2 Quaker
petticoats, beautifully quilted, in silk. Also a couple of bonnets with
quilted brims, and one quilt that we think came from the same family, all
silk. All this stuff came from a local Quaker family that donated a ton of
stuff. You'll never see better quilting. Unfortunately, we're not sure of
a time frame. Would love to see the Brandywine's exhibit as possible help
in dating others. Thanks for the info on that exhibit.

Ricki in PA - about 3/4 hours from Brandywine, but not out of reach

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 06 Feb 1997 00:23:42 -0800
From: nomad1ibm.net
To: QHLcue.com
Subject: QHL:Variouse
Message-ID: <32F9950E.656Fibm.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi Diane & All,
My dog quilt as I call it is a double axe quilt which has many florals
in blue,green,pink,red,purple etc.etc.Also solids,stripes,polka dots etc
A real scrap quilt.
One of the most interesting prints is a double chinned lamb with a
garland around the neck gamboling amongst flowers. Its very 1930's as you
must have gathered & Diane , its a rag quilt as you say. I think its a
good idea using the original fabric,thanks for the tip--it all helps! The
prints really appeal to me, so I will keep it as a " mad" quilt to try my
hand restoring it.
Hi to Kath too---your quilt sounds very interesting , hope you guys
manage to save it. Let us know how it goes o.k.

Also Barb in snowy Minnesota , do not despair re your daughter's lack of
interest re your gifts. I failed Home Economics,sewing etc. Could not
even get into the skirt I made due to something I did to the seams blah!
blah! I felt any idiot who could read can cook using a cookery book etc
when required. So, basically I was a nightmare to my poor Home Econ.
mistress & my mother who is a great cook etc. This all changed however
when I had my own children. I started to learn sewing 30----better
late than never I think--the main thing is I was interested in learning
now, not then. My dear Mother is still recovering from shock!
Great your son is already into it--maybe you could make a quilt FOR your
daughter of a few of HER favourite things---then watch her!!!
Pat that lovely snow for me!
Hiranya-Sydney Australia

--------------------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:02:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Tmauvlusaol.com
I've just received an entry form stating that a quilt could not be shown in
their show "If it has won in any other show in Florida". That was a first
for me, but I can understand that they would like to give someone else a
chance other than the artisits who win everything they enter.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:13:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Tmauvlusaol.com
Good for you for holding out to identify names of makers. I attended a show
last fall, that due to inefficiency had not gotten lables on - we had no idea
what we were seeing, and it made it impossible to enjoy the show, or comment
to the makerss. I think it is generally agreed that if we spend a year - or
two - or three - making a quilt, we are proud and excited and want to be
recognized for it. And if someone wins or not, it shoouldn't be that big of
a deal - after all, it's usually just a local show, it isn't
the end of the world.

------------------------------


Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:08:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Tmauvlusaol.com
The AQS appraisers have been kicking this around a bit - we agreed there is a
need for common descriptors, to a degree. Unfortunately, we are so
widespread, contact enabling us to really discuss things is difficult. We
meet only once as a large group, in Paducah each April. I'm leading a
discussion group, and will put that on my list of things to discuss. Who
knows what will happen?

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 14:16:17 -0800
From: nomad1ibm.net

Hey Kris, I like your children--what a great sense of humour--red
coloured milk! Fortunately my microbes have not comprehended Valentines
Day yet! Give them time! Enjoyed reading QHL while savouring Bacci
chocolates----yummy----never mind the hips!! : ^ >

My vote definitely goes for ; “ The Quiltmaker’s Legacy--Our Quilt &
Textile Heritage . “ It encompasses all our interests I feel. Thanks
to all of you who are trying so hard to make All Quilters worldwide
feel a part of this group.
Kris, thanks for all your hard work------are you sure there is’nt
something else you could’nt find to do? Hey, I am not complaing , I
think you are amazing trying to please us all , either you are a
masochist or bonkers!!
Where do you get the time to do all this-??

I think a Rating System for Quilts is great--- all the terms except
“ soft “ , makes sense, thelatter however......leaves me puzzled.....
afterall , I feel all quilts are soft to the touch in a way!! I can
hear you saying Duhh!!
Also, I have found that some dealer’s definition of Very Good does not
necessarily mean the same as I do.
Remember that quilt I told you all on QHL about , that looked as if it
had been in a tug-o-war between dogs ? Right around it is in shreds--a
1930’s quilt--supposed to be in very good condition!! One lesson I have
learned the hard way is to find dealers that have a passion for
preserving quilts & their history , and to avoid sharks out to make a
quick buck. This way you are safe with whatever you buy from them.

Have a Great weekend all,as we head off to Sunday, here in Down Under.

Hiranya---from toasty Sydney, Australia
e-mail : nomad1ibm.net



------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 12:52:38 -0500 (EST)
From: SadieRoseaol.com

When we did the Iowa Quilts Research Project in 1988, we had 2 forms to
fill out for each quilt documented. Barbara Brackman was brought in as our
"technical advisor" so I assume she helped with the development of these 2
forms.

The INTERVIEW form obtained as much information as possible about the
maker/s of the quilt - their personal history, as well as any information
about the quilt itself....what the maker called it, how it descended to the
current owner, special stories about the quilt or its fabrics, et cetera.

The TECHNICAL form was used for the examination of the quilt. Size,
colors, techniques, approximate age (here are the categories: prior to 1800;
1800-1840; 1860-1890; 1875-1900; 1890-1925; 1925-1940; newer) fabric
type, backing & binding info, quilting (design...# stitches per inch, hand
-machine), et cetera. The TECHNICAL form is pretty detailed, but most were
set up so we could circle the choice(s) that applied to this quilt. This
helped keep things moving when we sometimes documented 200 quilts in a day!
Ideally, the documentor's had scribes, so we would just say what to circle
on the form.

We also used BB's Encyclopedia of Pieced Quilt Block Patterns as our
official reference for names. We had volunteers whose only job was to look
up the block patterns in the book. We used the number assigned to the block
in the book, along with the most common name for a pattern UNLESS the family
gave us a name for the quilt/block. Most of the time, they wanted us to tell
them the name.

One section of the TECHNICAL form was for Condition. Our choices
included: Unused Unwashed Light Wear Moderate Wear Heavy Wear
Soiled Stained Faded Fragile Repaired Restored Other_______

Other observation or comments regarding quilt construction, design,
condition, inscription, or dating: ________________

Many of the quilts had more than one of these circled. You could have
a quilt with Light Wear, that had a stain, or had been repaired. You could
have a Vict. Crazy Quilt that was Unused, Unwashed, but still Fragile. So,
while I think Kris's comments about a numbered rating system are valuable, I
can also see that it might be difficult. We tried to be objective about
this, but had to be careful if the quilt owner was standing right there while
you documented. (We tried to set it up so they had other things to see/do,
but found that most wanted to follow along with their quilt, asking questions
of us). Some requested photocopies of the TECHNICAL and INTERVIEW forms to
keep for their own records. Many brought cameras, and took photos while the
quilt was hung for its ID photo.

One of the important aspects of a Quilt Documentation Day is the
educating of the public. We had hoped to have many quilts with a wonderful
family history. We found many current quilt owners know little or nothing
about the quilt, its maker, or how to care for it. (However, they were very
receptive to our information). Some of these were "family quilts" and some
were purchased at auctions. Very few had any name or date inscribed on the
quilt. We basted a label on each quilt with the ID# from the Documentation
Day, and encouraged the owners to write down all they could about the quilt &
its maker, and to put this information on a label if possible. We also
handed out a one page sheet on basic quilt care.

Some of those who brought quilts in, were fascinated with the process,
and have become volunteers for subsequent Documentation Days. Our official
state research project was completed in 1988. We have continued to receive
requests from quilt owners who want their quilts documented. When one of my
quilting friends started working at a small local museum, we began doing an
annual Quilt Identification Day - first on National Quilting Day (the 3rd
Sat. in March)- now later, as that falls in Spring Break here.

The museum agreed to be the caretaker of the data & photos. We have
continued the policy of the state project, where each quilt is given an ID
number...the name and address of the owner is kept separate from the rest of
the data. (This way, unscrupulous buyers aren't given a guide to the best
quilts.) Information is stored as "hard copy" in notebooks....maybe some
day the $$ or volunteer time will get this data in a computer database. The
information is available for the museum, with the possibility of using the
quilts in future exhibits, or to researchers by appointment. There is an
effort to get this type of information into a national database, which would
be fabulous for researchers.

Hope this information is useful... if you haven't helped with an ID
Day...you are missing out on some great quilts!! Even if you aren't an
expert in fabric dating, you can measure or be a scribe, and still get to
handle the quilts and help get their story down for posterity. This may
inspire you to start studying textile history, too. Or just to be sure that
every one of YOUR quilts has a label with pertinent information attached to
it! Happy Quilting!! Karan from cold but sunny Iowa

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 14:28:23 -0500 (EST)
From: MiamiQuiltaol.com
Kris at old albany

Found wool challis Flower Garden. Beautifully quilted, rare design layout.
How much would these sell for if available? I think it is Mennonite.
Pam
MiamiQuilt

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 15:16:36 -0500 (EST)
From: BFquilteraol.com
Hello to Everyone,

I know this listing deals with antique quilts but I need help finding
information for the restoration of an 1879 wedding dress. I believe it is
silk or silk/cotton but the skirt portion is badly damaged with shattering or
diagonal seperations. Would the Smitionsion Help? Does anyone know who I can
contact? Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Barb in MN (where it is snowing again!)

------------------------------

-----------------------------

Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 22:22:30 -0500 (EST)

From: Baglady111aol.com

To: 

There will be a retreat at Hastings, MI Sept 26/27/28 at Camp Michawana..we

are inviting vendors to participate at this time. please email me

privately..we' would also like suggestions on a dinner speaker for Sat

night..more info for guests later..jane

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:02:53 -0500 (EST)

From: Tmauvlusaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: Guild Research Question

Message-ID: <970215090252_-1542120276emout09.mail.aol.com>

I've just received an entry form stating that a quilt could not be shown in

their show "If it has won in any other show in Florida". That was a first

for me, but I can understand that they would like to give someone else a

chance other than the artisits who win everything they enter.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:13:10 -0500 (EST)

From: Tmauvlusaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: Guild Research Question

Message-ID: <970215091308_-1408192845emout03.mail.aol.com>

Good for you for holding out to identify names of makers. I attended a show

last fall, that due to inefficiency had not gotten lables on - we had no idea

what we were seeing, and it made it impossible to enjoy the show, or comment

to the makerss. I think it is generally agreed that if we spend a year - or

two - or three - making a quilt, we are proud and excited and want to be

recognized for it. And if someone wins or not, it shoouldn't be that big of

a deal - after all, it's usually just a local show, it isn't

the end of the world.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:22:50 -0500 (EST)

From: Tmauvlusaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: Someone had to narrow them down...

Message-ID: <970215092249_1514141372emout10.mail.aol.com>

Dear Kris, thanks for repeating the question - I've only been a subscriber

for a few days, and could sorta determine what was going on, but didn't know

exactly. Thanks-

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:08:13 -0500 (EST)

From: Tmauvlusaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: dating and rating quilts

Message-ID: <970215090813_1547699888emout18.mail.aol.com>

The AQS appraisers have been kicking this around a bit - we agreed there is a

need for common descriptors, to a degree. Unfortunately, we are so

widespread, contact enabling us to really discuss things is difficult. We

meet only once as a large group, in Paducah each April. I'm leading a

discussion group, and will put that on my list of things to discuss. Who

knows what will happen?

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 14:16:17 -0800

From: nomad1ibm.net

To:

Hey Kris, I like your children--what a great sense of humour--red

coloured milk! Fortunately my microbes have not comprehended Valentines

Day yet! Give them time! Enjoyed reading QHL while savouring Bacci

chocolates----yummy----never mind the hips!! : ^ >

My vote definitely goes for ; " The Quiltmaker’s Legacy--Our Quilt &

Textile Heritage . " It encompasses all our interests I feel. Thanks

to all of you who are trying so hard to make All Quilters worldwide

feel a part of this group.

Kris, thanks for all your hard work------are you sure there is’nt

something else you could’nt find to do? Hey, I am not complaing , I

think you are amazing trying to please us all , either you are a

masochist or bonkers!!

Where do you get the time to do all this-??

I think a Rating System for Quilts is great--- all the terms except

" soft " , makes sense, thelatter however......leaves me puzzled.....

afterall , I feel all quilts are soft to the touch in a way!! I can

hear you saying Duhh!!

Also, I have found that some dealer’s definition of Very Good does not

necessarily mean the same as I do.

Remember that quilt I told you all on QHL about , that looked as if it

had been in a tug-o-war between dogs ? Right around it is in shreds--a

1930’s quilt--supposed to be in very good condition!! One lesson I have

learned the hard way is to find dealers that have a passion for

preserving quilts & their history , and to avoid sharks out to make a

quick buck. This way you are safe with whatever you buy from them.

Have a Great weekend all,as we head off to Sunday, here in Down Under.

Hiranya---from toasty Sydney, Australia

e-mail : nomad1ibm.net

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 11:12:33 -0500 (EST)

From: JZgliniecaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: dating and rating quilts

Message-ID: <970215111233_-972658278emout20.mail.aol.com>

Hello,

Who are you?.....I did not rcognize your screen name?

What discussion group are you leading?

I am an AQS appraiser and your'e right, we have been having discussion on

this and just recently.

We also have formed an e-mail "List".....those of us on-line.....we can

communicate instantly..sort of..

Tell me who you are, if you are certified and on-line...if so ....JOIN us

Regards,

Julia Zgliniec

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 11:34:29 -0500 (EST)

From: JZgliniecaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: dating and rating quilts

Message-ID: <970215113428_-872227537emout20.mail.aol.com>

My apologies to ALL,

I am sorry for the personal post......my previous post was to go to the

person who is leading the discussion group in Paducah....who did not give a

name.

I am not used to the way this list handles "reply"..I thought the reply

button sent a response to the sender and "reply to all " went to the list.

Anyway, I shall be sure to check twice next time. I did not realize there

was also RESENT FROM.

Anyway....If you are an appraiser, certified by AQS, we have this -mail

group. If you are not on it and would like to join, let me know. We have

been discussiing the "rating" questions proposed here. Deb, will post

"conclusions" if any are reached.

Sorry again,

Julia

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 12:52:38 -0500 (EST)

From: SadieRoseaol.com

To:

When we did the Iowa Quilts Research Project in 1988, we had 2 forms to

fill out for each quilt documented. Barbara Brackman was brought in as our

"technical advisor" so I assume she helped with the development of these 2

forms.

The INTERVIEW form obtained as much information as possible about the

maker/s of the quilt - their personal history, as well as any information

about the quilt itself....what the maker called it, how it descended to the

current owner, special stories about the quilt or its fabrics, et cetera.

The TECHNICAL form was used for the examination of the quilt. Size,

colors, techniques, approximate age (here are the categories: prior to 1800;

1800-1840; 1860-1890; 1875-1900; 1890-1925; 1925-1940; newer) fabric

type, backing & binding info, quilting (design...# stitches per inch, hand

-machine), et cetera. The TECHNICAL form is pretty detailed, but most were

set up so we could circle the choice(s) that applied to this quilt. This

helped keep things moving when we sometimes documented 200 quilts in a day!

Ideally, the documentor's had scribes, so we would just say what to circle

on the form.

We also used BB's Encyclopedia of Pieced Quilt Block Patterns as our

official reference for names. We had volunteers whose only job was to look

up the block patterns in the book. We used the number assigned to the block

in the book, along with the most common name for a pattern UNLESS the family

gave us a name for the quilt/block. Most of the time, they wanted us to tell

them the name.

One section of the TECHNICAL form was for Condition. Our choices

included: Unused Unwashed Light Wear Moderate Wear Heavy Wear

Soiled Stained Faded Fragile Repaired Restored Other_______

Other observation or comments regarding quilt construction, design,

condition, inscription, or dating: ________________

Many of the quilts had more than one of these circled. You could have

a quilt with Light Wear, that had a stain, or had been repaired. You could

have a Vict. Crazy Quilt that was Unused, Unwashed, but still Fragile. So,

while I think Kris's comments about a numbered rating system are valuable, I

can also see that it might be difficult. We tried to be objective about

this, but had to be careful if the quilt owner was standing right there while

you documented. (We tried to set it up so they had other things to see/do,

but found that most wanted to follow along with their quilt, asking questions

of us). Some requested photocopies of the TECHNICAL and INTERVIEW forms to

keep for their own records. Many brought cameras, and took photos while the

quilt was hung for its ID photo.

One of the important aspects of a Quilt Documentation Day is the

educating of the public. We had hoped to have many quilts with a wonderful

family history. We found many current quilt owners know little or nothing

about the quilt, its maker, or how to care for it. (However, they were very

receptive to our information). Some of these were "family quilts" and some

were purchased at auctions. Very few had any name or date inscribed on the

quilt. We basted a label on each quilt with the ID# from the Documentation

Day, and encouraged the owners to write down all they could about the quilt &

its maker, and to put this information on a label if possible. We also

handed out a one page sheet on basic quilt care.

Some of those who brought quilts in, were fascinated with the process,

and have become volunteers for subsequent Documentation Days. Our official

state research project was completed in 1988. We have continued to receive

requests from quilt owners who want their quilts documented. When one of my

quilting friends started working at a small local museum, we began doing an

annual Quilt Identification Day - first on National Quilting Day (the 3rd

Sat. in March)- now later, as that falls in Spring Break here.

The museum agreed to be the caretaker of the data & photos. We have

continued the policy of the state project, where each quilt is given an ID

number...the name and address of the owner is kept separate from the rest of

the data. (This way, unscrupulous buyers aren't given a guide to the best

quilts.) Information is stored as "hard copy" in notebooks....maybe some

day the $$ or volunteer time will get this data in a computer database. The

information is available for the museum, with the possibility of using the

quilts in future exhibits, or to researchers by appointment. There is an

effort to get this type of information into a national database, which would

be fabulous for researchers.

Hope this information is useful... if you haven't helped with an ID

Day...you are missing out on some great quilts!! Even if you aren't an

expert in fabric dating, you can measure or be a scribe, and still get to

handle the quilts and help get their story down for posterity. This may

inspire you to start studying textile history, too. Or just to be sure that

every one of YOUR quilts has a label with pertinent information attached to

it! Happy Quilting!! Karan from cold but sunny Iowa

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 15:16:36 -0500 (EST)

From: BFquilteraol.com

To: 

Hello to Everyone,

I know this listing deals with antique quilts but I need help finding

information for the restoration of an 1879 wedding dress. I believe it is

silk or silk/cotton but the skirt portion is badly damaged with shattering or

diagonal seperations. Would the Smitionsion Help? Does anyone know who I can

contact? Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Barb in MN (where it is snowing again!)

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 20:05:37 -0500 (EST)

From: Baglady111aol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: dating and rating quilts (LONG)

Message-ID: <970215200536_-1139961803emout04.mail.aol.com>

ABSOLUTELY GREAT!! I know for a fact that folks have NO idea what goes into

a state search..I can recall reading about one of the first ones

done..babysitting alone was a challenge..folks that came with kids/entire

families..and they had a staff that did nothing but keep them occupied and

'out of the way'.. and do you remember when there were antique dealers

(infact, they don't deserve that title) waiting outside to buy the quits,

they'd talk them out of their heirloom? It happende at many..anyway..that

would do VERY NICELY..NOW!! I THOUGHT that I hd pre-mentioned when I

requested you writing the letter that Kris had thought it a good idea and

that she would proof it..by proofing I mean..see if it would be OK to put out

on the digests..I was so afraid of it looking like "begging' for gifts..I

didnt' want to ofend..if I DID NOT TELLYOU THAT..if I didn';t make that clear

and it was a private favor between you nd I I APOLOGIZE SINCERELY and hope I

didn';t embarrass or offend you in anyway..never meant..I know that Steve is

very particular aobut what goes on on his digest..and I try to keep a low

profile..

When you do the article it can be emailed to ANN EELMAN, MY

PUBLISHER/PARTNER..at leelmanix.netcom.com..I too would like a copy to enjoy as well. Jane

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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 22:27:00 -0500
From: Post msudvpilot.msu.edu

Nancy - You surely did hit the jackpot with your Featherweight & a table
too!! They are very hard to come by. Quilters like the FW for piecing
because the stitch is second to none and that 11 lbs. is a lot easier to
haul to workshops than the bigger machines. Not to mention it is too
cute for words.!! Word of their worth has spread & now people are
collecting them as an investment. You would enjoy learning more about
that little beauty on FWFanatics. Once you get used to using it for
your piecing you are going to love it. I am new to QHL & enjoying it
very much. Good to know there are others that love old quilts like I
do. Thank you for all the good information.          Ruby

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 01:24:03 -0500 (EST)
From: RLHlink3aol.com
To: QHLcuenet.com
Subject: Re: QHL: Re: Swastika
Message-ID: <970219012402_1678827320emout05.mail.aol.com>

Alan,

Thank you for that perspective. Altho, I want to be sensitive to the
feelings/pain of others, still I am feeling a bit uncomfortable with the
thought that Hitler might still have some tentacles of control out there. You
said it well. Hitler had his chance. Now let us regain control of a valid
and beautiful design. And yes, I am old enough to well remember the hated
nazi symbol.

Thanks again.

Linda/Redding

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 05:52:36 -0500
From: quiltmagmindspring.com (Jean Ann)
To: QHLcuenet.com
Subject: QHL: who are we kidding?
Message-Id: <v01540b01af3087273fff[168.121.76.43]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

About the swastika....like it or not, the evil done by Hitler against not
only the Jews, but the gypsies, the handicapped, the poor, anyone who had
the courage to speak up against him, anyone who helped any of the groups he
was determined to annihilate...etc was too vast to ever redeem the
swastika. This symbol has been forever changed to be a symbol for evil. A
small group of quilters (small when you think of the world population)
cannot every change the swastika and its meaning. It is rather
presumptuious and puffed up to think so.....

I have too many Jewish friends that I love dearly, I have raised two
handicapped children who would have been the first to die in Hitler's
regime. (You do know Hitler practiced mass killing of handicapped children
and adults to perfect his evil killing methods with gas before implemented
the plan full scale against the Jews).

IMHO this subject is too sensitive for a group discussion. Let's change the
thread. I, for one am hurt deeply for the Jewish people on this list who
may be hurting at the mention of the swastika.

BTW... I live in Georgia, I love living here, but I am deeply ashamed and
embarrassed by our state flag with the Confederate Flag as the primary
symbol. White people in the south may say it stands for state's rights. But
to the African Americans here, many of them descended from slaves, it is an
affront. The confederate flag symbolizes slavery and oppression to them. It
has been almost 150 years since they were finally set free from slavery,
but oppression and discrimination is not over yet. Truth is, the
Confederate flag became a big part of the Georgia state flag in 1964 when
integration was finally forced upon the south. Before that, it was NOT a
part of the state flag. So guess what it really stands for, no matter what
the official line of rhetoric may be. And yes, the Ku Klux Klan is still
active in Georgia...a hate group that is an embarrassment to all caring
people.

As swastika quilts and the confederate flag...yes, there is an appropriate
way to display them in a museum setting dealing with history, which would
include an explanation of what they NOW stand for, how symbols change, etc.
But the meaning that these symbols have assumed through their use cannot be
changed. They symbolize historic events that are bigger than any one person
or group. Through particular use the meaning of symbols and words can
change....these have changed.

As an individual I have adopted several "life rules" or standards by which
I live my life and make my decisions. Right at the top of the list is:

"I will preserve the dignity of every human being."

To preserve the dignity of Jewish people, handicapped people, people with
the courage to stand against evil when they could be safe by keeping
quiet... the swastika is what it has become, a symbol of evil. A small
group of quilters cannot reclaim this symbol and change its meaning. Like
it or not it needs to stand as that symbol to remind us all of what
happened so we can say, with our Jewish brothers and sisters,
"Never Again"

Jean Ann Eitel
Editor, QUILT magazine
http://www.quiltmag.com

Let's Talk Quilting: dal.net IRC - /join #quilttalk
http://www.quiltmag.com/QuiltTalk/

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:36:33 -0500
From: Ricki Maietta <rmaiettacsrlink.net>
To: QHLcuenet.com
Subject: QHL: new crazies
Message-Id: <199702191425.GAA23472orbital.cue.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi everyone! Just had to let you know that I have 2 "new" additions to my
collection, & it was (nearly) painless. I had a meeting last week, so
couldn't attend the auction down the road. Their newspaper ad said "crazy
quilt", & I need (not want) one as an example for when I do my little
lectures around the area. They aren't as easy to find as you might think!

So, I stopped in the auction hall the afternoon of, & turns out they had 3
crazy quilts & one unfinished crazy (9 squares sewn together, already
embroidered). I put a written bid on the unfinished one & the better of the
others & went on with my life. Imagine my surprise when a note came in the
mail that I got BOTH of them!!

Just finished looking them over really good, & I'm quite pleased. The
unfinished one has one painted section, decent embroidery, plus you can see
the sewing technique! The finished one has even better embroidery,
initials, a spider web & some interesting fabric - & a printed sateen back,
kinda gold in color.

I think I did good! Anyone else out there with a new find?

Ricki in PA - running out of storage space!

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:11:22 -0800
From: lrobinscclink.fhcrc.org (laurarm)
To: quiltnetlsv.uky.edu, qhlcuenet.com
Subject: QHL: Internet/FCC rumor
Message-ID: <30b27d41cclink.fhcrc.org>
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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I'm sorry to add more traffic on this but since we're all interested
in the Internet, it is relevant. Delete here if you're not
interested.

I don't know where the "rumor" first came from but there actually was
news in the Seattle Times and on the local NPR station about a week
ago that US West, the local phone company, wants to request higher
rates for Internet phone users.
(Mary Lou's friend who works at the FCC was right that it is NOT an
FCC proposal. But he/she might not be able to know of all local
requests that are in very early stages. He/she had an interesting
point about detecting what type of call is being made, and I don't
know US West's answer to that.)
The reason for the request is that recently people have had problems
making local calls. They sometimes can't place calls because there
aren't enough open lines with the massive proliferation of cell
phones, faxes, Internet, etc. US WEST hasn't added enough new lines
to keep up with demand and this is one of their *solutions*.

So far, I believe this is only a local issue. I don't know if they
have formally petitioned the FCC yet. Such proposals take quite a
while for approval, and approval is only on a local level even if
given. Also, Bill Gates is on record as being agin it! I don't know
how far it will go. So no need to panic yet, but it doesn't hurt to
keep our ears to the ground.

Laura in Seattle

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Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 23:14:46 -0800
From: "Arlene G. Goldberg" <arleneggicanect.net>
To: QUILTING HERITAGE LISTSERVE <QHLcue.com>
Subject: QHL: jargon
Message-ID: <33056266.3DFAicanect.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

> Kris suggested a rating system for quilts, starting with "soft" for
> those in the worst shape. Surprises me...would never have thought of
> using that word. Is that antiquers' jargon?

"Soft" means a worse shape quilt? Two of my favorite old quilts,
including one I bought from Kris, are soft - to the touch, that is. I
love soft, well worn (not necessarily worn-out) quilts. Couldn't
another word be used for quilts in bad shape?

Arlene in Miami
arleneggicanect.net

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:20:25 -0500
From: Cathy Hooley <goosetracksalbany.net>
To: QHLcuenet.com
Subject: QHL: Re: Swastika Quilt Story
Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970219232025.0069d994mail.albany.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Just a short note on an experience a friend and I had with a "swastika"
quilt. We were in a craft show in Lenox, Mass one year & the first day -
Saturday, our sales were really, really bad. No explanation, it was a nice
day, good crowd, etc.

On our main display table we used an old quilt top that my friend had as a
table cover. We never used it before & never thought much of the design.
On Sunday morning while trying to figure out what we did wrong the previous
day, it dawned on us that the quilt was a "swastika" pattern. We decided to
replace it with a solid cloth to see if it was bad luck & surprisingly(?)
sales on Sunday were 3 times those on Saturday. Nobody commented on the
quilt top & maybe it was just a coincidence, but it does make you wonder.
We've never used it again!

Cathy
Cathy Hooley <goosetracksalbany.net>

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 21:41:09 -0500 (EST)
From: QuiltLineaol.com
To: QHLcue.com
Subject: QHL: quilt history teacher list
Message-ID: <970219214108_43269792emout17.mail.aol.com>

To those who have indicated interest in being on the quilt history teacher
web page:

Thank you for the inquiries regarding the page, it is really great to know
how many people are 'experts' in their field. Remember, I need a bio, a list
of subjects taught and $5.00 for one year. I have e-mailed each person who
asked, my snail mail address for the $5.00. I have received many bios, some
class lists, but only one person's class list and bio. I would like to get
this page going, so if you are still interested, please send me your complete
information asap.

Debbie Roberts

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 23:44:42 -0500 (EST)
From: MiamiQuiltaol.com
To: QHLcuenet.com
Subject: QHL: Re: QHL-Digest Digest V97 #47
Message-ID: <970219234441_445611039emout12.mail.aol.com>

Hi from Miami. Alan, are you the one from the QRS conference in Albany? This
is MiamiQuilt????
Swastika is a very old symbol and the Nazi' turned it around. It originally
meant good luck.

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 23:54:28 +0000
From: gilsonsvoicenet.com
To: QHLcuenet.com
Subject: QHL: Re: swastika design
Message-Id: <199702200457.XAA04350mail3.voicenet.com>
Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
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Last year the New York Metropolitan Museum featured an exhibit
called "Treasures of Imperial China". In the collection is a 13th
century bowl with many intricately carved designs, including the
swastika. That design certainly has been around a long time.

Peg G.

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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 05:49:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Baglady111aol.com
To: QHLcuenet.com
Subject: Re: QHL: quilt history teacher list
Message-ID: <970220054904_820009710emout19.mail.aol.com>

Hi Debbie, off to Fl to do a lecture and will send you my bio wen I get
back..please give me your snail mail address again..Jane

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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:02:10 -0500 (EST)
From: MHerron4aol.com
To: QHLcuenet.com
Subject: QHL: Re: QHL-Digest Digest V97 #48
Message-ID: <970220120205_1315495827emout14.mail.aol.com>

Dear Jean Ann,
    Your letter re: the swastika quilts was very articulate and did an excellent
job of saying what I felt reading the postings re: this symbol in the digest
these past few days. How brave of you to say it too! I also have a
handicapped child and had not known that they were the first to die in
Hitler's regime. So I learned alot from your letter. A museum, as you say,
with historical background would be the only way I would want to see a quilt
top with a swastica even knowing the reversed sign means life and is/was used
in Buddhism long befor WWII. To the person who said our young people don't
remember WW11 and it's time to get on-- well I'm 35 and I know that's know
longer young yooung, but I'm horrified to think this tragedy would be dropped
or forgotten from history--it needs to be learned about in Highschool and
should never be allowed to be forgotten from our mass conciousness or it will
happen again and clearly did happen again in Bosnia. Well now that I've
managed to get all worked up I best sign off. By the way Jean Anne, I just
recieved my first copy of your magazine and enjoyed it thoroughly! I noticed
you had made two of the quilts for it as well as writing the editoral! Any
time managent tips you could pass along to me would be appreciated as clearly
you are a very busy organized and creative person and a mom too! WOW!
Thanks again for your wonderful strong letter and I hope you are truly heard
by others. Mary a quilter in CT

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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 16:35:13 PST
From: John & Cinda Cawley <cawleyepix.net>
To: 

We were talking about the wave quilting design a week or so ago. There
are drawings of the wave on pp. 125-6 of Quilt Treasures of Great Britain.
I think I would call it a chevron. It really is hard to describe such
things in words. Check it out.
Cinda in Scranton.
-------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 22:27:00 -0500

From: Post <msudvpilot.msu.edu>

Nancy - You surely did hit the jackpot with your Featherweight & a table too!! They are very hard to come by. Quilters like the FW for piecing because the stitch is second to none and that 11 lbs. is a lot easier to haul to workshops than the bigger machines. Not to mention it is too cute for words.!! Word of their worth has spread & now people are collecting them as an investment. You would enjoy learning more about that little beauty on FWFanatics. Once you get used to using it for your piecing you are going to love it. I am new to QHL & enjoying it very much. Good to know there are others that love old quilts like I do. Thank you for all the good information. Ruby

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 01:24:03 -0500 (EST)

From: RLHlink3aol.com

Alan,

Thank you for that perspective. Altho, I want to be sensitive to the feelings/pain of others, still I am feeling a bit uncomfortable with the thought that Hitler might still have some tentacles of control out there. You said it well. Hitler had his chance. Now let us regain control of a valid and beautiful design. And yes, I am old enough to well remember the hated nazi symbol.

Thanks again.

Linda/Redding

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 05:52:36 -0500

From: quiltmagmindspring.com (Jean Ann)

About the swastika....like it or not, the evil done by Hitler against not only the Jews, but the gypsies, the handicapped, the poor, anyone who had the courage to speak up against him, anyone who helped any of the groups he was determined to annihilate...etc was too vast to ever redeem the swastika. This symbol has been forever changed to be a symbol for evil. A small group of quilters (small when you think of the world population) cannot every change the swastika and its meaning. It is rather presumptuious and puffed up to think so.....

I have too many Jewish friends that I love dearly, I have raised two handicapped children who would have been the first to die in Hitler's regime. (You do know Hitler practiced mass killing of handicapped children and adults to perfect his evil killing methods with gas before implemented the plan full scale against the Jews).

IMHO this subject is too sensitive for a group discussion. Let's change the thread. I, for one am hurt deeply for the Jewish people on this list who may be hurting at the mention of the swastika.  BTW... I live in Georgia, I love living here, but I am deeply ashamed and embarrassed by our state flag with the Confederate Flag as the primary symbol. White people in the south may say it stands for state's rights. But to the African Americans here, many of them descended from slaves, it is an affront. The confederate flag symbolizes slavery and oppression to them. It has been almost 150 years since they were finally set free from slavery, but oppression and discrimination is not over yet. Truth is, the Confederate flag became a big part of the Georgia state flag in 1964 when integration was finally forced upon the south. Before that, it was NOT a part of the state flag. So guess what it really stands for, no matter what the official line of rhetoric may be. And yes, the Ku Klux Klan is still active in Georgia...a hate group that is an embarrassment to all caring people.

As swastika quilts and the confederate flag...yes, there is an appropriate way to display them in a museum setting dealing with history, which would include an explanation of what they NOW stand for, how symbols change, etc. But the meaning that these symbols have assumed through their use cannot be changed. They symbolize historic events that are bigger than any one person or group. Through particular use the meaning of symbols and words can change....these have changed.

As an individual I have adopted several "life rules" or standards by which I live my life and make my decisions. Right at the top of the list is: 

"I will preserve the dignity of every human being."

To preserve the dignity of Jewish people, handicapped people, people with the courage to stand against evil when they could be safe by keeping quiet... the swastika is what it has become, a symbol of evil. A small group of quilters cannot reclaim this symbol and change its meaning. Like it or not it needs to stand as that symbol to remind us all of what happened so we can say, with our Jewish brothers and sisters,

"Never Again"

Jean Ann Eitel

Editor, QUILT magazine

http://www.quiltmag.com

Let's Talk Quilting: dal.net IRC - /join #quilttalk

http://www.quiltmag.com/QuiltTalk/

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:36:33 -0500

From: Ricki Maietta <rmaiettacsrlink.net>

Hi everyone! Just had to let you know that I have 2 "new" additions to my

collection, & it was (nearly) painless. I had a meeting last week, so

couldn't attend the auction down the road. Their newspaper ad said "crazy

quilt", & I need (not want) one as an example for when I do my little

lectures around the area. They aren't as easy to find as you might think!

So, I stopped in the auction hall the afternoon of, & turns out they had 3

crazy quilts & one unfinished crazy (9 squares sewn together, already

embroidered). I put a written bid on the unfinished one & the better of the

others & went on with my life. Imagine my surprise when a note came in the

mail that I got BOTH of them!!

Just finished looking them over really good, & I'm quite pleased. The

unfinished one has one painted section, decent embroidery, plus you can see

the sewing technique! The finished one has even better embroidery,

initials, a spider web & some interesting fabric - & a printed sateen back,

kinda gold in color.

I think I did good! Anyone else out there with a new find?

Ricki in PA - running out of storage space!

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 23:14:46 -0800

From: "Arlene G. Goldberg" <arleneggicanect.net>

> Kris suggested a rating system for quilts, starting with "soft" for

> those in the worst shape. Surprises me...would never have thought of

> using that word. Is that antiquers' jargon?

"Soft" means a worse shape quilt? Two of my favorite old quilts,

including one I bought from Kris, are soft - to the touch, that is. I

love soft, well worn (not necessarily worn-out) quilts. Couldn't

another word be used for quilts in bad shape?

Arlene in Miami

arleneggicanect.net

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:20:25 -0500

From: Cathy Hooley <goosetracksalbany.net>

Just a short note on an experience a friend and I had with a "swastika" quilt. We were in a craft show in Lenox, Mass one year & the first day - Saturday, our sales were really, really bad. No explanation, it was a nice day, good crowd, etc.

On our main display table we used an old quilt top that my friend had as a table cover. We never used it before & never thought much of the design. On Sunday morning while trying to figure out what we did wrong the previous day, it dawned on us that the quilt was a "swastika" pattern. We decided to replace it with a solid cloth to see if it was bad luck & surprisingly(?) sales on Sunday were 3 times those on Saturday. Nobody commented on the quilt top & maybe it was just a coincidence, but it does make you wonder. We've never used it again!

Cathy

Cathy Hooley <goosetracksalbany.net>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 01:24:03 -0500 (EST)

From: RLHlink3aol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 00:01:37 -0500

From: Gail Wagner <dpw13mindspring.com>

I've thought long and hard about this message because I don't want to anger

anyone, but it's said there's two things you shouldn't discuss - religion

and politics and it seems that the image of the swastika and the Stars and

Bars on my state flag fall into both those categories. Both are extremely

personal and volatile subjects; people's opinions cannot be swayed no matter

which side they are on. So before this turns into an entirely different

forum, can we please return to the subjects of quilts and textiles where the

only thing that makes me annoyed is when my finger is too sore to quilt

anymore.

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 97 09:49:27 PST

From: John & Cinda Cawley <cawleyepix.net>

To: Merikay Waldvogel <QuiltAliveaol.com>, QHLcue.com

Hi Merikay,

I'm prety sure that my Keystone Friendship quilt was made in Indiana

County. All the names I've identified so far are from that area. I have

Soft Covers open in front of me (great book). The design of mine is not so

far out as the Brownsville quilt, but it is equally idiosyncratic. What is

a Rainbow Block?

In the catalogue from the James exhibit in Japan, pp. 48-49 there is

a photo of a Windblown Lily made in Indiana Co., PA. In the collection of

the State Museum of PA we found an unfinished quilt top in that pattern

(same color scheme) that has papers attached with signatures and dedications

dated October, 1879. We were able to determine the maker's name and that

the quilt was made in either Bedford or Fulton Co. This is the same general

area of PA as Indiana Co. It will be pictured in the book Saved for the

People of Pennsylvania to be published by the PHMC in May. What is your

opinion of this pattern? It is certainly not one that I have seen often.

I see that you're going to be teaching at the Vermont Quilt

Festival. I'm afraid I'm not going to get there this summer (it's my

absolutely favorite quilt show). My daughter is expecting a baby at the end

of July and I think I'm going to have to stick close to home. Are you going

to be giving classes anywhere else that I might be able to get to?

Is there a way to learn more about the James collection? It sounds

fabulous and so temptingly close. I wish I could go to your guild meeting

and see the slide presentation.

Cinda in Scranton

-------------------------------------

Name: John & Cinda Cawley

E-mail: cawleyepix.net

Date: 2/21/97

Time: 9:49:28 AM

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:14:44 -0500 (EST)

From: HKnight453aol.com

Gail-

I agree completely. Try Bag Balm for your fingers and the following as

a topic for discussion.

These days, collections of fabrics are popping up everywhere, letting

one create a coordinated quilt with little effort. However, many antique

quilts feature clashing and almost random choices of materials. Should

modern quilters seek a middle ground? I've gone both ways. My first qulit

was a Trip Around the World in three colors of the same ditzy calico print,

and my latest quilt is a Log Cabin in white, kelly green, and orange for

St.Patricks Day. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

Heather from very pleasant RI

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:32:59 -0500 (EST)

From: NSchm007aol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: Unmentionables

Message-ID: <970221123259_43431317emout10.mail.aol.com>

Thank you so much dpw13. I heartily agree with you. I too thought

long and hard about how to respond to QuiltMag's spleen venting. We all have

a family history, as varried as any quilt could be. There is always someone

on the other side.

Few things really annoy me. One is that people confuse the "Stars and

Bars" with the Confederate flag. It was the battle flag of the Army of

Northern Virginia. The "Bonnie Blue Flag", celebrated in song, did not look

the same. The other and far more aggravating is when I am sewing on the

machine and I don't happen to pull out a tail long enough. Then when the

needle rises next, the thread slipps through the eye and I have to rethread

the needle. OOOHHHHHH, I hate when that happens <VBG>

Cranston Print Works Company has a new web site. They say" you can visit

a unique turn-of-the-century village" there,"especially for home-sewers,

quilters and crafters." There are free patterns to download too. You can

also write to them there. It is one way to let fabric manufacturers know

that we would like approximate dates in the selvedges of the reproduction

prints, among other things. <smile> They are at

http://www.cranstonvillage.com.

Sara in warm but rainy North Carolina

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:47:30 -0500 (EST)

From: AJSNGSaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: Friendship quilt etc

Message-ID: <970221124728_177585789emout14.mail.aol.com>

Hi all,

I was reading Cinda's post to Merikay and wondered what is a Brownsville

quilt? You were obviously talking about Pennsylvania quilts since you

mentioned the Keystone too. I'd like to know more about these. My husband

collects Pennsylvania Railroad memorabilia, plus he has lots of relatives in

Western PA near a small town named Brownsville. Wondered if the quilt comes

from that area? Gosh, maybe I could get him to collect quilts too!

TIA for any info. you have on these quilts.

Nancy in Virginia

AJSNGSaol.com

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 15:33:29 -0500 (EST)

From: QRestoreaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Wool Batting

Message-ID: <970221153328_-1340582967emout10.mail.aol.com>

To the Group;

Thought I would share this with you . . .I have just recently tried the Hobbs

Heirloom Wool Batting in a large (107"x107") quilt that I'm hand quilting.

I've been quilting for some 27 years (since I was in 4-H as a young girl)

and really can't say enough about how nice this batting is.

I struggled with this decision to use this wool batt over my standard choice

of cotton batts. I don't care for polyester batts and have never used them .

. .preferring the natural fibers instead. I studied Harriet Hargrave's

survey and research she writes about in her book "Heirloom Machine Quilting"

and decided to try something different.

The wool batt has many nice qualities and has a recovery rate from

compression of 95% . . .which basically means the loft retention is

excellent. It is very, very soft and drapable, which was important to me, as

I plan to do heavy quilting and trapunto work. Just thought I'd pass along

my new experience . . .and by the way, the wool batt does "quilt like

butter."

Victoria Montgomery

QRestoreaol.com

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 97 21:45:28 +0000

From: "Bob Mills" <decisiontigger.jvnc.net>

To: "Quilter's Heritage List" <QHLcuenet.com>

Subject: QHL: feed sack story

Message-Id: <decision.1206949168Ftigger.jvnc.net>

I have had a bad cold, and one night this week, when the coughing got

serious in the middle of the night, I felt badly about keeping my husband

awake, so I went into the guest bedroom to sleep. I sat up in that bed

awile, waiting for cough syrup to take effect, and was staring groggily at

the quilt on the bed which my mom gave to me several years ago.

Suddenly a light went off, and I started looking for feedsack fabric in the

dresden plate pattern (at 4 in the morning). I never cared for this quilt

too much-it was made for a friend of my mom's. When this friend died, her

husband gave me two quilts that had been made for her many years ago. It is

a heavily quilted, multi-colored quilt with odd brown embroidery in places,

and I have the maker's name and residence.

I only just realized what feed sack material looked like when Jane sent me

some samples several months ago. At three in the morning I was convinced

that it had a lot of feed sack material. Now I am not so sure. It is a

heavily quilted, multi-colored quilt with odd brown embroidery in places,

and I have the maker's name and residence.

I can't wait til I get my Textile Bags book from Kris so I can study it.

Jane, if you are reading this, if I sent you some close up shots of the

squares, would you be able to recognize feed sacks from a photo? I do have

this mental image of you being able to recognize feedsacks from 100 yards

distance!

I am eagerly learning everything possible from this group and from the tons

of library books my library is ordering for me from our book lists. Some of

the books come from as far away as California-with no shipping bill for me.

I love it. That list has been invaluable to me. Thanks to all of you for

sharing.

Jan Drechsler in NJ

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 23:18:24 -0500

From: quiltmagmindspring.com (Jean Ann)

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: random fabrics vs collections

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I love scrap quilting, the more fabrics the better. When I first started

quilting I tried to coordinate everything. Then I started going to quilt

shows and seeing some wonderful old quilts. I learned from the old quilts

that the more fabrics, even the ones I thought to be clashing, were needed

to make an effective scrap quilt. I love the pumpkin orange used so

frequently in old quilts, but mostly ignored by modern day quilters. Can we

even get that old pumpkin orange?

Oh, I also learned to piece funky quilt backs with big pieces of ugly

fabric I must have had to have once, cause I sure bought them but now

wonder how. I saw backs like this on antique quilts and decided to use up

some of my stash this way.

Jean Ann Eitel

Editor, QUILT magazine

http://www.quiltmag.com

Let's Talk Quilting: dal.net IRC - /join #quilttalk

http://www.quiltmag.com/QuiltTalk/

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 03:41:09 -0500 (EST)

From: CTislanderaol.com

Wow, controversy about quilts. I was the person who originally posted about

my find of a quilt top with s_______ blocks in an antique store. I bought the

top for $15 and I have been printing out all the comments about it posted on

QHL. I plan to store the comments with the quilt top (in a deep, dark

closet).

If this list is going to discuss quilt heritage, other uncomfortable subjects

might come up. If my reading is correct, quilts were often political and

espoused various causes. Look at many quilt block names. How can a heritage

list avoid history? I certainly was not *advocating* the use of the s_______

symbol.

Christine T. in the California Delta

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 05:36:06 -0600

From: R D <holmrexecpc.com>

Good Morning (I can't sleep)-

I agree with Victoria -- Hobbs Herloom Wool Batting is wonderful to work

with! You will be amazed at how many stitches to the inch you get, and

it drapes wonderfully.

I made one antique looking wallhanging of my own design with lots of

feathered quilting in it. I used the wool batting. I wish that I would

have thought about using the trapunto technique when I started this. I

love this wallhanging, but that would have given it the look that I

really wanted. I should order John Flynn's trapunto rods one of these

days. He has a rod that you insert between the stitches (as you are

quilting) to push the stuffing in -- then you don't have to cut the

material. (No affiliation)

Victoria, what do you stuff your trapunto with? Cotton batting, maybe?

Or maybe would you use the same batting as the quilt that you are

making?

I have some left over pieces of Hobbs Wool batting. If any of you would

like me to send you a small square so that you can try needling through

it and see how it feels, email me privately and I will give you my

mailing address. Please enclose a self addressed, stamped envelope.

I wouldn't use this for all of my projects, but for some things, it is

just right!

Donna in Wisconsin

RE:

Thought I would share this with you . . .I have just recently tried the

Hobbs Heirloom Wool Batting in a large (107"x107") quilt that I'm hand

quilting. I've been quilting for some 27 years (since I was in 4-H as a

young girl) and really can't say enough about how nice this batting is.

The wool batt has many nice qualities and has a recovery rate from

compression of 95% . . .which basically means the loft retention is

excellent. It is very, very soft and drapable, which was important to

me, as I plan to do heavy quilting and trapunto work. Just thought I'd

pass along my new experience . . .and by the way, the wool batt does

"quilt like butter."

Victoria Montgomery

QRestoreaol.com

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 10:03:43 -0800

From: Sharon Harleman Tandy <harlemanmicron.net>

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Dear Christine, Thank you. The study of art cannot be accomplished

without mentioning several periods of disgraceful concepts. So to the

study of history, even more so. Certainly the study of quilt history

must be similar. I am opposed to the suppression of women's rights but

love studying about suffrage, etc. Surely, we can set aside our

emotions for a moment? "The unexamined life is not worth living."

Plato or Ralph Waldo Emerson (_now_ I'll go look it up.) And: Those who

do not study history are condemned to repeat it. Sorry, that's a poor

paraphrase. Sharon.

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 12:45:26 -0500 (EST)

From: SadieRoseaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: feed sack story

Message-ID: <970222124526_1315693622emout09.mail.aol.com>

Jan,

Hope your cold is better!! I think Jane posted that she was off to

Florida for a few days, so don't be disappointed if you don't hear right back

from her. Hopefully, she will read your message when she gets back...but

sometimes when she is gone, she has Kris stop her mail. So, if you start

seeing her post again, and haven't heard back, send her a copy of your

letter. Let us all know what she has to say!! Happy Quilting! Karan

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 12:45:37 -0500 (EST)

From: SadieRoseaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: random fabrics vs collections

Message-ID: <970222124536_1812541494emout14.mail.aol.com>

Greetings, Everyone,

First, my opinion on "touchy" discussions- obviously there are topics

that we won't all agree on, and some which may touch a nerve for one, and not

others in the group. I would hope that we can "agree to disagree" on such

subjects, without stooping to name-calling. I think our discussion of the

"s" topic covered a variety of different points of view, which hopefully

helped each of us think through this topic, and maybe added new information

to help us evaluate our own opinions on the subject.

Now on to a subject which (at least I <think>) we all love: Fabric!!

Someone asked about the idea of using fabric lines (collections, such as

the Smithsonian repros). For many years I have discouraged students from

going into the fabric store (usually a large chain store) and picking all the

fabrics for a quilt from a manufacturer's "line". The perfect coordination

of the colors/prints made for a boring quilt. I personally prefer scrap

quilts, the more variety the merrier...although I do use a "color recipe" to

maintain some control. 10 navy blues are much more interesting than 1 navy

(to me, anyway).

However, I view the current reproduction lines in a different way.

These fabric collections have been chosen with a variety of textures (small,

large, florals, geometrics, backgrounds) and also a variety of colors. So,

using them together in a project would not give you the sameness, that other

fabric lines <probably> would.

In the new "Heirloom Collection" line by Harriet Hargrave, there are 4

greens, 4 purples, 3 yellows, 5 blues, 5 pinks, 3 pink & browns, 11 "madder"

prints of rust & browns, including one "pumpkin" or bittersweet orange. So,

there are a variety of colors.

Now, look at this collection in another way: there are 10 different

motifs or prints: 2 stripes, a printed plaid, a basket weave, 2 small

calicoes, 2 medium "bubble" prints, and 2 closer space medium prints. Most

of these motifs are done in 3 or 4 colorways. One of the small calicoes,

with an allover design of leaves with tiny white dots placed irregularily, is

done in 6 colors.

My personal preference is not to use "sister prints" (same motif,

different colorways) repeatedly in a project. Now, if I was making a large

scrap quilt, I could probably use all 6 of those calicoes, just space them so

it wasn't noticed. In a smaller project, I would not use all 6. For my

current project, making "Dear Jane" blocks, I am going to combine fabrics

from this new line, with P & B's "Mad Madders" line. This will give me more

variety to work with, and the colors and designs are from the same era, so

will work together.

So, my feeling is that it's OK to use these collections "by themselves"

or, mix with others, depending on the effect you are aiming for. There are

plenty of fabrics out there, which are not "reproduction prints" that have

the appropriate colors and motifs, that could be used or added to make a

quilt with that "period" look. Most of the antique scrap quilts had a

mixture of fabrics from different eras, and that is what gives them their

charm.

Now, a new question: what do you think about combining "vintage"

fabrics with the new reproduction prints from the same era?? For example:

30s type print or feedsack fabrics, combined with some of the new "Aunt

Grace's" repros by Marcus Brothers? Let's say this is for a new

project....not repair or restoration work. Will be interested on your

opinions.....

Happy Stitching, everyone!! Karan from Iowa, where an "Alberta

Clipper" is bringing back the sub zero temps - yuck!!

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 16:39:08 -0500

From: quiltmagmindspring.com (Jean Ann)

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: my wasted day....

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Last wednesday I was working up a new quilt design and decided not to do a

scrap quilt for once, but to do the design with just four colors. It has

been years since I did such a controlled fabric selection. I usually sew

scraps, the more the merrier.

I spent the entire day...as in 8 hours...trying to select the perfect four

colors. I would decide, then cut a little, arrange the pieces, say NO! and

then go find more fabrics. I think there are about 6 sets of 4 fabrics

stacked on the cutting table that were chosen then rejected. Finally, I cut

out the block. It was a difficult block to sew, an 8" block. When I

finished it, I didn't like it. I went to bed wondering why in the world I

spent all day and then the evening picking fabrics and sewing and ending up

with a small block that is frankly, just awful...

So it is back to scrap quilting for me. I love seeing well designed quilts

from a controlled selection of fabrics when other people do it, bit it is

beyond me!

Jean Ann Eitel

Editor, QUILT magazine

http://www.quiltmag.com

Let's Talk Quilting: dal.net IRC - /join #quilttalk

http://www.quiltmag.com/QuiltTalk/

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 16:51:28 -0800

From: Jody Bordner <qltgrosegte.net>

To: SadieRoseaol.com

CC: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: random fabrics vs collections

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Sadie,

I too would be interested in hearing the reactions to mixing old 30's

fabrics with new repros in a new project. I have lots of little pieces of

old fabrics,not enough to do much with, but hate to see it go to waste

also. It seems to be of a tight weave and washed very well.

Jody

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 16:49:38 -0500 (EST)

From: Quilting Heritage ListServ <qrsmail.albany.net>

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Stupid animal tricks & symbol debate

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Sorry I have been so quiet lately, my keyboard was stuck and my efforts to

unstick it resulted in me buying a new keyboard...<G> That was my stupid

animal trick for the week.

I *was* interested in the symbol debate. Interestingly enough, we just had

a debate over symbols in the NYS legislature. Seems there was a display of

the original 13 colonies flags in the Capitol building. Not the original

flags from 1776, but the states current flag. Georgias' has the stars and

bars on it, to which one of our black legislators took offense, so he

removed the flag. With much fanfare and bally-hoo, of course, this was a

major photo op. The next day, one of Georgia's legislators teetered along a

ledge and, amid much more fanfare and bally-hoo, took New York State's flag

down. Both got front page coverage. Both flags were replaced the next day.

Ironically, the same day as Jean Ann's letter, a letter was published in our

local newspaper comparing the symbolism of the stars and bars to that of the

swastika and suggesting that they both be banned forevermore. I am very

much of mixed feelings on this. I understand how much these symbols hurt

people. BUT, he who does not remember history is doomed to repeat it! The

swastika is part of our heritage, whether we like it or not. It is an event

we have to learn from, and go beyond. The stars and bars are a little

harder to defend. For that we have to fall back on the adage, "I may not

agree with your position, but I will fight to the death to defend it."

It would be interesting to discuss other patterns and their symbolism. I

was talking to Betty Kiser yesterday about her Drunkards path book, and it

turns out a lot of the Drunkards Path blocks were historically arranged in

different ways to commemorate different events. I didn't know that!

Evidently the pattern originated in England, and the blocks - instead of

being placed asymmetrically, which is what makes up the drunkards path -

formed circular patterns. The pattern was called Mill Wheel or Steeplechase

then, or, depending on the placement of light and dark, Rob Peter to Pay

Paul. (I always thought of RP2PP as something like the Lafayette orange

peel pattern, which is another story in and of itself.) The pattern didn't

become known as Drunkards Path until Temperance days. Which I did know from

Pepper Cory's book. This is the kind of thing that fascinates me. Anyone

know any other stories?

Kris

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 97 17:19:08 PST

From: Cliff & Claire Fenton <ccdmfentcajun.net>

To: Jody Bordner <qltgrosegte.net>, SadieRoseaol.com

Cc: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: random fabrics vs collections

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Sadie,

I too would be interested in hearing the reactions to mixing old 30's

fabrics with new repros in a new project. I have lots of little pieces of

old fabrics,not enough to do much with, but hate to see it go to

waste

also. It seems to be of a tight weave and washed very well.

Jody

I'm making Dresden plate blocks right now and am using both repros

and pieces of old feed sacks. T hey look great...I can see no reason

not to..if there is one someone let me know!

Claire in S.La.

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 18:46:31 -0500 (EST)

From: AJSNGSaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: random fabrics vs collections

Message-ID: <970222184631_1879676566emout16.mail.aol.com>

Hi All,

It seems to me that women of the past who quilted would have used whatever

fabric they had on hand, whether it was new or old, to piece their quilts.

And if they ran out of fabric, they would have bought new fabric.

So....they would have used both old and new; whatever was on hand. In light

of this, I would think the same would be true today. We can use fabric we

have on hand, and buy new ones to blend in.

Nancy in VA

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 18:53:34 -0500 (EST)

From: AJSNGSaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: Stupid animal tricks & symbol debate

Message-ID: <970222185333_-1708671576emout14.mail.aol.com>

Hi all,

In Virginia recently they voted to change the state song. For years the song

"Carry Me Back to Old Virginia" has been the state song. It was recently

given emeritus status, and a new song is being sought. The words to "Carry

Me Back..." were published in our local paper, and I was truly astonished at

them! They are very offensive to many people. I can certainly understand

why something like this would be unpopular. But on the other hand, this is a

song about our history and reminds us of a time that is part of history (the

Civil War) whether we like it or not. Therefore, it has a place in our

history...just like the symbols we've discussed here on QHL recently. They

may not be liked by many, but they ARE part of history, and we can learn from

them.

Just my 1 cent worth.

Nancy in VA

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 21:57:05 -0500 (EST)

From: Tubeywoobyaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: wool batting

Message-ID: <970222215704_1712758070emout08.mail.aol.com>

When I was growing up, my next door neighbor, Ruth, taught my mother to

quilt. They made one quilt for each of us kids and mine was the only one they

used a wool bat on. The wool has worked its way out of the stitch holes over

the years and through washings. For this, I would not recommend a wool bat.

It is still a fabulous quilt, with sun bonnet sues, each a different gingham

(all cotton).

Ruth was my mothers best friend, and died at 49 of lung cancer (never

smoked). Last year, my father died, and my mother married Ruth's husband, 23

years widowed, in January! He had carefully saved all of Ruth's quilts and

his mother's precious quilts. Her legacy lives on in the many my mother and I

have taught to quilt.

Happy with my new step-daddy,

Melissa in sunny warm Houston : )

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 22:43:24 -0500 (EST)

From: Baglady111aol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: feed sack story

Message-ID: <970222224322_1946805578emout01.mail.aol.com>

Sure Jan, I can do it with my eyes closed..Ha..yes, we could try that..alot

of times Ic an tell if I recoginze the pattern..when we have sacks brought in

that are sooo close to the feel of percale, we are unbale to be sure

also..UNLESS we know the pattern is one we've seen before..send me some shops

and maybe we can id it..better yet..one of my members, Pat Reid in

Titusville, Fl..(I jsut came home from there tonight) hs cataloged over

12,000 2 and one half " sqs and she wold be able to go thru her

catalogs..and tell you.. email me for for ehr adrress..Jane

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 21:45:11 -0500

From: "jackiem" <jackiemivic.net>

To: <QHLcuenet.com>, "Jean Ann" <quiltmagmindspring.com>

Jean Anne, I can relate to your story on a day wasted, only I don't feel

your day was wasted at all. You learned a lot about colors and pattern

choice and that you really love scrap quilts. (a girl after my own heart).

My twin sister and I spent a couple of nights talking about using some of

my "stash" and although we are identical twins with all of the same

interests, we see things differently.

A few years ago I made a lovely (if I do say so myself) log cabin quilt

(top) using a controlled color palette, but not worrying about the fabric.

Using the same palette, we pulled out blues, browns and burgandies. All of

the dark and medium darks were put in one pile and the lights and medium

lights were in the other.

Strips were made randomly using the darker pile for the geese and the

lighter pile for the background. As we sewed the two identical quilts,

JoAn's choice was to match the fabrics in the corners of the geese and my

choice was to do it scrappy and just use the light randomly with corners

not matching.

JoAn sewed all of the geese strips and set the strips together. Jackie

cut all of the strips and sewed the borders on both quilts. We both chose

the same fabric for the joining strips and the borders of the quilt were

done the same.

The result is two beautiful quilt tops that look identical, but upon close

examination are different.

I do not buy new fabric when designing a quilt. I usually challenge

myself to use what I have and then buy one or two if necessary to tie it

together. It is easy to buy all coordinating fabrics to assemble a quilt,

but these quilts are usually boring. (not always) Scrap quilts can be

very unusual sometimes and even comical (We really had a laugh at an old

one at our last guild meeting), but are never boring. It is the

challenge to use unusual or unheard of combinations that produces some of

our prettiest quilts. My art background tells me that value is more

important than color when working with scraps.

As to combining the old fabrics with the current reproduction fabrics in a

new project, Why not? There are no rules when it comes to something new.

Whatever works to bring your creation into reality. Our Mothers and

Grandmothers and so forth, passed their stash from generation to

generation and who says a 90's quilt has to be 90's fabric.

Jackie & JoAn

jackiemivic.net

jackiemartlover.com

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 22:03:49 -0800

From: nomad1ibm.net

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: mail problem

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Hi There,

Yes , I am still here ! Unfortunately my mail deliverer on the computer

has had problems delivering mail for the past 4 days . I only found out

today when my test message never came back & hence rang IBM to ask what

was happening ! According to them I can still send emails out so

hopefully you will get this .

So , if you have not had a reply from me since the 20th , could you

please remail any emails since then . Thanks for doing this , I wish I

could ring & chat on the phone instead !

Until we chat agin, Hiranya

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 06:52:22 -0500

From: quiltmagmindspring.com (Jean Ann)

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Victorian Quilt

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Last Friday I was in Ft. Worth at the Trinity Valley Quilt Guild meeting.

During show and tell a beatiful Victorian quilt was shown. The quilt had

been made in 1904 (Queen Victoria being dead only 4 years at that time, so

maybe it wasnt a Victorian quilt...)

It was a friendship quilt and there where beautiful embroidered squares

alternated with plain squares. (If it was Victorian, it wasnt crazy). The

colors were definitly a Victorian palette.

The very interesting thing to me, is that a 4 year old little girl dressed

in a classic dark plaid dress, almost down to her ankles, and long hair

tied up in a bow was part of the show and tell. Her great-grandmother made

the quilt which had recently been discovered with some other old things.

This little girl will have the quilt when she is grown. It was lovely to

see the link between the generations that this quilt provided. And the

little girl, by being there, saw how precious and important her quilt is,

so she can cherish it when she does recevie it.

Jean Ann Eitel

Editor, QUILT magazine

http://www.quiltmag.com

Let's Talk Quilting: dal.net IRC - /join #quilttalk

http://www.quiltmag.com/QuiltTalk/

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 07:03:39 -0500 (EST)

From: Baglady111aol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: feed sack story

Message-ID: <970223070337_-904864072emout09.mail.aol.com>

Just read your post to Jan (with a cold, poor baby) and wondere if that is

Dreschler? I'm back.,had an emailfrom her, and have replied..if not

her..WHO!! and thank youfor explainingmy abscense..I'M HOME..Jane

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 08:28:01 EST

From: debatqpsjuno.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Re: QHL-Digest Digest V97 #51

Message-ID: <19970223.082731.4262.0.debatqpsjuno.com>

Hi everyone, The RJR fabric rep was in the shop this week and I saw

their new 30s line of fabrics. VERY NICE. Much better greige goods than

the Marcus line, which don't get me wrong I love them and have lots in my

store and my stash, but I really like these prints also.

Also look for Judie Rothermel's new book. We got ours yesterday and

most are sold already. Its a great book with patterns and stories about

each quilt pattern. Maybe 10 or 12 quilt patterns from the 30s done in

her repro fabrics. I really like it.

I am mixing old 30s fabrics with repros in a star quilt I am making for

my daughter. Its coming out really neat and hopefully will be done

before she gets married, shes 12 . . . . . . VBG

Debbie in NJ

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 97 11:02:11 PST

From: John & Cinda Cawley <cawleyepix.net>

To: Jean Ann <quiltmagmindspring.com>, QHLcue.com

Subject: RE: QHL: Victorian Quilt

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Jean Ann,

In the exhibit of Quaker quilts now at the Brandywine Museum in

Chadds Ford, PA there is an album friendship quilt date 1890. It is made

of sqares of black silk beautifully embrioidered with elaborate floral

motifs and gorgeous monograms and every sort of embellishment (beads,

paint etc.). Definitely Victorian but not crazy. It was made as a

wedding gift.

Cinda in Scranton

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Name: John & Cinda Cawley

E-mail: cawleyepix.net

Date: 2/23/97

Time: 11:02:11 AM

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 12:34:02 -0500 (EST)

From: CTislanderaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Quilt pattern symbols

Message-ID: <970223123357_542389488emout06.mail.aol.com>

Kris said it would be interesting to discuss other patterns and their

symbolism.

In Carrie Hall and Rose Kretsinger's book *The Romance of the Patchwork

Quilt in America* there is a little bit about symbols. Hall said, "There were

scores of political names given to their quilts... Such names as 'Clay's

Choice,' Whig Rose,' Democrat Rose,' 'Harrison Rose,'

'Fifty-Four-Forty-or-Fight,' 'The Little Giant,' 'Lincoln's Platform,' 'Old

Tippecanoe,' and 'Free Trade Patch' are of political inspiration... Their

religion was such a vital part of the lives of our ancestors that it is not

strange that there were many of these. 'Job's Tears,' 'Joseph's Coat,'

'Jacob's Ladder,' 'Crown of Thorns,' 'Wonder-of-the-World,' 'Ecclesiastes,'

'Children of Israel,' 'Golgotha,' 'David and Goliath,' 'Coronation,' and

innumerable ones having 'Cross' as an integral part."

We have to consider the source here; there are errors in Hall's book, so she

may have had some of these names wrong.

Barbara Brackman in her *Encyclopedia of Pieced Quilt Patterns* said, "Some

names went unpublished because they were inelegant or distasteful to the

magazine editors. Burgoo Trollop, Ham Shank, and Pigpen went unrecorded...

Patterns honoring the losing side were rarely published. Collectors are not

too sure about what a Confederate Rose looked like and no one recorded the

pattern KuKlux, although its name appeared in print." (My DH said the KK

pattern was probably plain white sheeting, so it was not recorded <g>.)

That's all I know, but I would like to learn more.

Christine in the California Delta

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 12:41:51 -0800

From: Sharon Harleman Tandy <harlemanmicron.net>

To: Quilting Heritage ListServ <qrsmail.albany.net>

CC: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Re: your comments on RP2PP

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Dear Kris, I love your designation of a long and difficult name, RP2PP.

Seems I am always talking in shorthand. I have gradually become aware

that as you go around the country (in research, books, and even, for

some, in reality) any pattern in which halves of one block, or sometimes

neighboring blocks, where there are two colors/fabrics involved and

where equal amounts of each are used and in the same shapes.....what I'm

not saying very well here is: positive/negative relationships.....any of

those have at one time or another been called RP2PP, most likely

because, if it weren't for seam allowances, there would have been no

waste, and there's no "background" or "foreground". Has anyone any

references that would back up such a position. Sharon in supersunny

Boise.

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 13:15:07 -0800

From: Sharon Harleman Tandy <harlemanmicron.net>

To: QHLcuenet.com

CC: QuiltAliveaol.com

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Quilt love to quilt lover: I can sympathize with what JeanAnn thought

was a wasted day but as has already been pointed out, she also learned

something. For me, Friday, Feb 20, was anything but wasted. A quilt I

had seen at guild last November was brought to my house and I was

privileged to spend 2 and a half hours examining it. It is, after some

late night "light" research, one of the variants of "The Garden" quilt

from Ruth Finley's book, _Old Patchwork Quilts and the Women Who Made

Them_, plate # 57. Other variations have appeared: one as the cover and

color plate H in the introduction of the reprint of the Finley book,

another I have seen is on the cover of Quilter's Newsletter Magazine,

No. 273, June 1995 (see: on the cover, p. 4, photo and note courtesy of

Rod Kirakofe) and p. 210 in his _The American Quilt: A History of Cloth

and Comfort 1750-1950_ (see also p. 206 for a photo of maker, fig. 209

and photo of her crazy quilt, fig. 210.)

The quilt I examined was one of two identical quilts, probably made in

Cincinnati in the thirties. In one of those stories that make you

cringe, the "twin" was given to someone who came to the door looking for

old clothes. (All together now, arrrrggghhh!) Still, the remaining

quilt is astonishing to look at; the quilting is exquisite, though

simple in design; I found the stitches to be from 12 to 18 to the inch

(yes, counted only on the top!) Nowhere in the parallel lines does the

quilting vary from 3/8ths of an inch apart. To say the least, I am all

aflutter; although I slept well, I woke early and got up early, I can't

seem to eat, have cleaned rooms that haven't seen the light of day for

over a month, accomplished more today than in weeks; I am a blur of

activity and my mind is the same. I may have the opportunity to visit

the quilt in April and perhaps meet the owner. Does time fly? Sharon

in wonderful Boise.

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 16:35:34 -0500

From: gridgeesalgorithms.com (Merry May)

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Re: Scrap quilts

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For Jean, re: Scrap Quilts

I, too, now have a MAJOR problem choosing only 3 or 4 fabrics for quilts.

It's almost like, once you've "crossed over" to making scrap quilts you can

never go back again! :-) One of the best things about scrap quilts

is that you can make one block of this combination, and another block of

another combination. They may not all be stellar, but when they're all put

together, they're still beautiful.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is, don't fight it! It sounds like

you've already started making a scrap quilt based on the fabric

combinations you DIDN'T like!! (So why waste all of those good blocks?)

Also, I've found that if I REALLY, REALLY {{HAVE TO}} choose only 3 or 4

fabrics, either Amish colors, or patriotic colors seem to be the easiest to

narrow down. (This may not work for you, but it does for me - hope it

helps!)

Take care, and like they say, "if life gives you scraps, make scrappy quilts!"

Merry May

gridgeesalgorithms.com

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 17:22:32 -0500 (EST)

From: AJSNGSaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: Re: Scrap quilts

Message-ID: <970223172231_1846210353emout07.mail.aol.com>

I liked what Merry May had to say about scrap quilts. It seems like a

challenge to take what you have on hand and make something nice out of it.

May not always turn out exactly how you envision, but still something worth

having and showing off. Personally it doesn't seem like much of a challenge

if you can go and pick out 3 or 4 fabrics from a special designer line that

all coordinate. Besides, if you use YOUR scraps, then your quilt is one of a

kind!

Nancy in VA

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 17:49:32 -0500 (EST)

From: QRestoreaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: wool batting

Message-ID: <970223174931_412744801emout10.mail.aol.com>

Just a few more words about the wool batt of today . . .it is not the wool

batts our grandmothers used.

Bearding has often been considered a problem in wool batts, however an

unresinated batt will probably beard when washed and usually does not get

worse with progressive washings. Resinated wool batts tend not to beard al

all. Hobbs has produced this wool batt from loose fibers, which is lightly

resinated to resist fiber migration and shifting.

I have washed test samples of this new wool batt (with top and backing) and

it machine washes (in cold water)with no problems and dries well in the

dryer on low or air dry setting (although I wouldn't recommend ever drying a

finished quilt in the dryer).

Other nice qualities are that "wool batts are naturally mildew resistant and

resist moth damage when coverd with cotton fabrics. Moths do not eat the

wool fibers unless dirt - their food - is attached to the fibers." (As

described in Harriet Hargrave's Heirloom Machine Quilting book)

As mentioned in Harriet Hargrave's book polyester is often used in quilts

made for babies . . ."if exposed to fire or high heat the fibers will melt

and the resins on the batt will cause them to flare". On the other hand,

"Wool is flame-resistant. When exposed to flames it smolders at a low

temperature and self-extinguishes with a cool ash, making it an extremely

safe fiber to use for small children."

Just wanted to be clear about this new wool batt by Hobbs developed with

Harriet Hargrave. (PS: absolutely no affiliation with Hobbs or Hargrave . .

.just recently discovered and love quilting this wool batt)

Victoria Montgomery

QRestoreaol.com

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 18:03:09 -0500 (EST)

From: QRestoreaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: "The Garden Quilt"

Message-ID: <970223180309_1913311346emout08.mail.aol.com>

I have to agree with Sharon . . .I too was lucky enough to be exposed to this

beautiful quilt with beautiful workmanship. It's so nice to know there a

still unfound treasures out there just waiting to be discovered. What

inspiration!

Victoria Montgomery

QRestoreaol.com

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 18:16:07 -0500 (EST)

From: QRestoreaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: random fabrics vs co...

Message-ID: <970223181605_1148086784emout02.mail.aol.com>

Dear Sadie;

Couldn't agree more with your comments . . .as to the question about

combining vintage fabrics with reproduction fabrics in a new project . .

.yes, absolutely. Our grandmothers and great grandmothers used fabrics

available to them, used, worn and new, didn't matter . . .that's part of

their charm. . . but you already know that.

I do hope your okay with this because the block I'm stitching for your *new*

quilt project (hopefully will be in the mail this week to you) is made with

vintage fabric . . .I love to share my collection of vintage fabrics with

other quilters.

Victoria Montgomery

QRestoreaol.com

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 21:18:23 -0500 (EST)

From: MiamiQuiltaol.com

Hi! Alan, yes, it is Pam in Miami. It was too small of a group to not be you

but better to check than to embarass yourself. How is your quilt repair

coming that you brought to Albany? I am amazed at the response to Christine's

"s" blocks? Controversy is part of scholarship and in as such it needs to be

heard to reveal all the potential of an object. Bravo for different opinions

and let's remain open minded and keep it on a professional level. That's it

for my lecture.

Pam

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 22:05:07 -0500 (EST)

From: BBMorrisaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Combining old with new fabrics

Message-ID: <970223220506_508889396emout08.mail.aol.com>

I have a quilt made by my great grandmother that has both old and new fabrics

in it. Some small squares of the old fabric is pieced to have a large enough

piece to finish that block. Some of the solids were "NEW" feed sacks that

were home dyed a navy blue that ran when the quilt was washed the first time.

I have no problem with combining old with new fabrics as long as the old

ones are in good condition. I am just keeping up a family tradition

Barbara in GA

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 23:10:47 -0500 (EST)

From: Karen108delphi.com

To: qhlcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Batts

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I have a wool batt, but after several attempts (and problems with one of my cats,

who enjoye *eating* the batt) with it I use it mainly for trapunto. I'm

sticking with Warm 'n Natural until I find something better...but I don't use

polyester for anything serious these days.

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 22:37:56 -0600

From: ShirleySpencer <ShirleySpencerprodigy.net>

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Intro

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I just love this list. I've been subscribing since issue #10, so thought

it was time I introduced myself.

I've been interested in vintage quilts for several years and have

collected many quilts, tops, and blocks. I have devoured Brackman and

many other quilt history books as well as the state documentary books.

I am a member of the Quilt Restoration Society - been to both

conferences and have met many of you there. I'm active in my local

quild, have served on the board in many capacities. Actually I'm quite

ready to sit back next year and listen and watch.

I find I am particularly interested in quilts made on the frontier and

the difficulties those women encountered. Because of that I have

dabbled a little in natural dyeing to see just how difficult that was

for our foremothers. I certainly am not expert, but I've learned a lot.

Haven't had time to do it for some time.

I have a vintage quilt dilemma. See my next post.

Shirley Spencer in Rockford, Illinois

ShirleySpencerProdigy.net

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 23:17:23 -0600

From: ShirleySpencer <ShirleySpencerprodigy.net>

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Lucy's Quilt

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I have a friend who has a crib quilt made my her mother in the 30's. It

is a Sunbonnet Sue summer quilt with no batting.

My friend, I will call her Lucy, wants to give this quilt to her

children. She wants each of her three grown sons to have a piece of it,

and she actually started to cut it up in order to make 3 pillows. It now

has a small cut in it. Right after she cut it, she showed it to me and

told me her intent. I tried very hard to not go ballistic and scream "Do

not cut this quilt up." I took a deep breath and tried to explain that

when you are done, you will have pieces of a quilt, but you will no

longer have your beloved quilt. It will no longer BE a quilt.

I gave her several suggestions. Keep the quilt for a while until you see

which of your sons or their wives or their children might want and

appreciate your baby quilt. After all, not all of our children like

quilts and maybe they won't want it at all. Particularly since it is a

Sunbonnet Sue and more appealing to girls. She was adamant that she

wanted each ofthem to have a piece of this quilt. I suggested that

pillows sometimes become worn, dirty, and are thrown away. I told her I

would be happy to help her repair the small cut so she could keep it as

a quilt. I also suggested she could make copies of it.

Pretty soon I realized I was getting too involved here and I could see

she really didn't like my ideas, so because we are friends I dropped the

subject and never asked about it again and Lucy never mentioned it. This

happened a few years ago. I've often wondered what happened to that

quilt.

I guess I should say here that I am a more experienced quilter than she

is, but she has made some baby quilts for her grandkids and others. We

were recently together vacationing at the same spot. We went to a couple

quilt shops together and she is getting interested in more serious

quilting. I have been encouraging and shared a lot of magazines and

stuff with her because I would really like to see her spread her wings.

She finally mentioned the quilt one day saying she still had it and had

done nothing with it. She added that she had had her mother sign each

block before she died. I was delighted to hear that the quilt was still

in one piece and asked her what she had decided to do? She said she was

thinking about it but wanted to finish up her current project. I was

encouraged that she brought the subject up, since she knows how I feel.

That's where it stands now. What do you think? I welcome your comments.

ShirleySpencerprodigy.net

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 97 22:26:31 -0800

From: beth_novakom.cv.hp.com

Hello fellow quilters, I'm new to the list.

I have a strange problem that I've never run across before. I

purchased a depression era 4 point star/strings quilt that was

extensively damaged by mice (three corners out of four were entirely

missing, along with some large central holes). There was (and still

is ) also some minor mildew staining. This was purchased from a well

known dealer who must have had it cleaned because it should have

smelled awful, and it smelled just fine. I diligently fixed the

quilt, which was quite a major undertaking, and put a new backing on

it. Looks great now, but a big problem has come up. Every time I am

near that quilt my sinuses have a major attack and feel like they are

swelling like balloons inside my head. Something about the quilt is

giving me an allergy attack, and I have never had allergies in my

life!

Could it be the cleaning solution that was used, the former presence

of mice, the mildew, or something else? When working on the quilt, I

noticed the cotton batting seemed rougher than any I have ever seen

before. It seems like the batting was disintigrating or dusty, and

had tiny black areas evenly spaced in the cotton (looked like part of

the cotton itself, combed in). Maybe the cotton was never cleaned?

I put a lot of time into that old quilt, and would really like to be

able to stand being near it. As it is, I'm even afraid that hanging

it on the wall might be an irritant. An obvious solution might be to

try to wash it, but some of the original fabric is looking so fragile

I don't think I should. I know this quilt is unsuitable to ever use

on a bed, because some of the fabric is so fragile, but I'd like to be

able to enoy it!

Any opinions or suggestions would be appreciated!

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 21:57:05 -0500 (EST)

From: Tubeywoobyaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: wool batting

When I was growing up, my next door neighbor, Ruth, taught my mother to

quilt. They made one quilt for each of us kids and mine was the only one

they used a wool bat on. The wool has worked its way out of the stitch

holes over the years and through washings. For this, I would not recommend

a wool bat. It is still a fabulous quilt, with sun bonnet sues, each a

different gingham (all cotton).

        Ruth was my mothers best friend, and died at 49 of lung cancer (never

smoked). Last year, my father died, and my mother married Ruth's husband,

23 years widowed, in January! He had carefully saved all of Ruth's quilts

and his mother's precious quilts. Her legacy lives on in the many my mother

and I have taught to quilt. Happy with my new step-daddy,  Melissa in sunny

warm Houston : )

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 22:43:24 -0500 (EST)

From: Baglady111aol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: feed sack story

Sure Jan, I can do it with my eyes closed.. Ha.. yes, we could try that.. a

lot of times I can tell if I recoginze the pattern.. when we have sacks

brought in that are so close to the feel of percale, we are unbale to be

sure also.. UNLESS we know the pattern is one we've seen before..send me

some shops and maybe we can id it..better yet..one of my members, Pat Reid

in Titusville, Fl..(I jsut came home from there tonight) hs cataloged over

12,000  2 and one half " sqs and she wold be able to go thru her

catalogs..and tell you.. email me for for ehr adrress..Jane

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Date: Sat, 22 Feb 1997 21:45:11 -0500

From: "jackiem" <jackiemivic.net>

To: <QHLcuenet.com>, "Jean Ann" <quiltmagmindspring.com>

Subject: QHL: Re: my wasted day....

Jean Anne, I can relate to your story on a day wasted, only I don't feel

your day was wasted at all.  You learned a lot about colors and pattern

choice and that you really love scrap quilts. (a girl after my own heart).

        My twin sister and I spent a couple of nights talking about using some of

my "stash" and although we are identical twins with all of the same

interests, we see things differently.

        A few years ago I made a lovely (if I do say so myself)  log cabin quilt

(top) using a controlled color palette, but not worrying about the fabric.

        Using the same palette, we pulled out blues, browns and burgandies. All

of the dark and medium darks were put in one pile and the lights and medium

lights were in the other. 

        Strips were made randomly using the darker pile for the geese and the

lighter pile for the background. As we sewed the two identical quilts,

JoAn's choice was to match the fabrics in the corners of the geese and my

choice was to do it scrappy and just use the light randomly with corners

not matching. 

        JoAn sewed all of the geese strips and set the strips together.  Jackie

cut all of the strips and sewed the borders on both quilts.  We both chose

the same fabric for the joining strips and the borders of the quilt were

done the same.

        The result is two beautiful quilt tops that look identical, but upon close

examination are different.

        I do not buy new fabric when designing a quilt.  I usually challenge

myself to use what I have and then buy one or two if necessary to tie it

together.  It is easy to buy all coordinating fabrics to assemble a quilt,

 but these quilts are usually boring. (not always)   Scrap quilts can be

very unusual sometimes and even comical  (We really had a laugh at an old

one at our last guild meeting),  but are never boring.  It is the challenge

 to use unusual or unhear d of combinations that produces some of our

prettiest quilts.  My art background tells me that value is more important

than color when working with scraps.

        As to combining the old fabrics with the current reproduction fabrics in a

new project,  Why not?  There are no rules when it comes to something new.

Whatever works to bring your creation into reality.  Our Mothers and

Grandmothers and so forth, passed their stash from generation to generation

and who says a 90's quilt has to be 90's fabric.  jackie & JoAn

jackiemivic.net

jackiemartlover.com

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 06:52:22 -0500

From: quiltmagmindspring.com (Jean Ann)

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Victorian Quilt

Last Friday I was in Ft. Worth at the Trinity Valley Quilt Guild meeting.

During show and tell a beatiful Victorian quilt was shown. The quilt had

been made in 1904 (Queen Victoria being dead only 4 years at that time, so

maybe it wasnt a Victorian quilt...)

        It was a friendship quilt and there where beautiful embroidered squares

alternated with plain squares. (If it was Victorian, it wasnt crazy). The

colors were definitly a Victorian palette.

        The very interesting thing to me, is that a  4 year old little girl

dressed in a classic dark plaid dress, almost down to her ankles, and long

hair tied up in a bow was part of the show and tell. Her great-grandmother

made the quilt which had recently been discovered with some other old

things. This little girl will have the quilt when she is grown. It was

lovely to see the link between the generations that this quilt provided.

And the little girl, by being there, saw how precious and important her

quilt is, so she can cherish it when she does recevie it.

Jean Ann Eitel  Editor, QUILT magazine

http://www.quiltmag.com

Let's Talk Quilting: dal.net IRC  - /join #quilttalk

http://www.quiltmag.com/QuiltTalk/

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 08:28:01 EST

From: debatqpsjuno.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Re: QHL-Digest Digest V97 #51

Hi everyone,  The RJR fabric rep was in the shop this week and I saw their

new 30s line of fabrics.  VERY NICE.  Much better greige goods than the

Marcus line, which don't get me wrong I love them and have lots in my store

and my stash, but I really like these prints also.

          Also look for Judie Rothermel's new book.  We got ours yesterday and

most are sold already.  Its a great book with patterns and stories about

each quilt pattern.   Maybe 10 or 12 quilt patterns from the 30s done in

her repro fabrics.  I really like it.   I am mixing old 30s fabrics with

repros in a star quilt I am making for

my daughter.  Its coming out really neat and hopefully will be done before

she gets married, shes 12 . . . . . . VBG Debbie in NJ

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 97 11:02:11 PST

From: John & Cinda Cawley <cawleyepix.net>

To: Jean Ann <quiltmagmindspring.com>, QHLcue.com

Subject: RE: QHL: Victorian Quilt

Jean Ann,

        In the exhibit of Quaker quilts now at the Brandywine Museum in Chadds

Ford, PA there is an album friendship quilt date 1890.  It is made  of

sqares of black silk beautifully embrioidered with elaborate floral motifs

and gorgeous monograms and every sort of embellishment (beads, paint etc.).

 Definitely Victorian but not crazy.  It was made as a

wedding gift. Cinda in Scranton Name: John & Cinda Cawley E-mail:

cawleyepix.net

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 12:34:02 -0500 (EST)

From: CTislanderaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Quilt pattern symbols

Kris said it would be interesting to discuss other patterns and their

symbolism.

         In Carrie Hall and Rose Kretsinger's book *The Romance of the Patchwork

Quilt in America* there is a little bit about symbols. Hall said, "There

were scores of political names given to their quilts... Such names as

'Clay's Choice,' Whig Rose,' Democrat Rose,' 'Harrison Rose,'

'Fifty-Four-Forty-or-Fight,' 'The Little Giant,' 'Lincoln's Platform,' 'Old

Tippecanoe,' and 'Free Trade Patch' are of political inspiration... Their

religion was such a vital part of the lives of our ancestors that it is not

strange that there were many of these. 'Job's Tears,' 'Joseph's Coat,'

'Jacob's Ladder,' 'Crown of Thorns,' 'Wonder-of-the-World,' 'Ecclesiastes,'

'Children of Israel,' 'Golgotha,' 'David and Goliath,' 'Coronation,' and

innumerable ones having 'Cross' as an integral part."

        We have to consider the source here; there are errors in Hall's book, so

she may have had some of these names wrong.

        Barbara Brackman in her *Encyclopedia of Pieced Quilt Patterns* said,

"Some names went unpublished because they were inelegant or distasteful to

the magazine editors. Burgoo Trollop, Ham Shank, and Pigpen went

unrecorded... Patterns honoring the losing side were rarely published.

Collectors are not too sure about what a Confederate Rose looked like and

no one recorded the pattern KuKlux, although its name appeared in print."

(My DH said the KK

pattern was probably plain white sheeting, so it was not recorded <g>.)

That's all I know, but I would like to learn more. Christine in the

California Delta

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 12:41:51 -0800

From: Sharon Harleman Tandy <harlemanmicron.net>

To: Quilting Heritage ListServ <qrsmail.albany.net>

CC: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Re: your comments on RP2PP

Dear Kris, I love your designation of a long and difficult name, RP2PP.

Seems I am always talking in shorthand.  I have gradually become aware that

as you go around the country (in research, books, and even, for some, in

reality) any pattern in which halves of one block, or sometimes neighboring

blocks, where there are two colors/fabrics involved and where equal amounts

of each are used and in the same shapes.....what I'm not saying very well

here is: positive/negative relationships.....any of those have at one time

or another been called RP2PP, most likely because, if it weren't for seam

allowances, there would have been no waste, and there's no "background" or

"foreground". Has anyone any references that would back up such a position.

Sharon in supersunny Boise.

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 13:15:07 -0800

From: Sharon Harleman Tandy <harlemanmicron.net>

To: QHLcuenet.com

CC: QuiltAliveaol.com

Subject: QHL: an unwasted day!

Quilt love to quilt lover:  I can sympathize with what JeanAnn thought was

a wasted day but as has already been pointed out, she also learned

something.  For me, Friday, Feb 20, was anything but wasted.  A quilt I had

seen at guild last November was brought to my house and I was privileged to

spend 2 and a half hours examining it.  It is, after some late night

"light" research, one of the variants of "The Garden" quilt from Ruth

Finley's book, _Old Patchwork Quilts and the Women Who Made Them_, plate #

57.  Other variations have appeared: one as the cover and color plate H in

the introduction of the reprint of the Finley book, another I have seen is

on the cover of Quilter's Newsletter Magazine, No. 273, June 1995 (see: on

the cover, p. 4, photo and note courtesy of Rod Kirakofe) and p. 210 in his

_The American Quilt: A History of Cloth and Comfort 1750-1950_ (see also p.

206 for a photo of maker, fig. 209

and photo of her crazy quilt, fig. 210.) The quilt I examined was one of

two identical quilts, probably made in Cincinnati in the thirties.  In one

of those stories that make you cringe, the "twin" was given to someone who

came to the door looking for old clothes. (All together now, arrrrggghhh!)

Still, the remaining quilt is astonishing to look at; the quilting is

exquisite, though simple in design; I found the stitches to be from 12 to

18 to the inch (yes, counted only on the top!)  Nowhere in the parallel

lines does the quilting vary from 3/8ths of an inch apart.  To say the

least, I am all aflutter; although I slept well, I woke early and got up

early, I can't seem to eat, have cleaned rooms that haven't seen the light

of day for over a month, accomplished more today than in weeks; I am a blur

of activity and my mind is the same.  I may have the opportunity to visit

the quilt in April and perhaps meet the owner.  Does time fly?  Sharon in

wonderful Boise.

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 16:35:34 -0500

From: gridgeesalgorithms.com (Merry May)

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Re: Scrap quilts

For Jean, re:  Scrap Quilts

I, too, now have a MAJOR problem choosing only 3 or 4 fabrics for quilts.

It's almost like, once you've "crossed over" to making scrap quilts you can

never go back again!    :-)       One of the best things about scrap quilts

is that you can make one block of this combination, and another block of

another combination.  They may not all be stellar, but when they're all put

together, they're still beautiful.

        So I guess what I'm trying to say is, don't fight it!  It sounds like

you've already started making a scrap quilt based on the fabric

combinations you DIDN'T like!!   (So why waste all of those good blocks?)

        Also, I've found that if I REALLY, REALLY {{HAVE TO}} choose only 3 or 4

fabrics, either Amish colors, or patriotic colors seem to be the easiest to

narrow down.  (This may not work for you, but it does for me - hope it

helps!)

        Take care, and like they say, "if life gives you scraps, make scrappy

quilts!" Merry May

gridgeesalgorithms.com

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 17:22:32 -0500 (EST)

From: AJSNGSaol.com

To: 

I liked what Merry May had to say about scrap quilts.  It seems like a

challenge to take what you have on hand and make something nice out of it.

May not always turn out exactly how you envision, but still something worth

having and showing off.  Personally it doesn't seem like much of a

challenge if you can go and pick out 3 or 4 fabrics from a special designer

line that

all coordinate.  Besides, if you use YOUR scraps, then your quilt is one of

a kind! Nancy in VA

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 17:49:32 -0500 (EST)

From: QRestoreaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: wool batting

Just a few more words about the wool batt of today . . .it is not  the wool

batts our grandmothers used. 

        Bearding has often been considered a problem in wool batts, however an

unresinated batt will probably beard when washed and usually does not get

worse with progressive washings.  Resinated wool batts tend not to beard al

all.  Hobbs has produced this wool batt from loose fibers, which is lightly

resinated to resist fiber migration and shifting.

        I have washed test samples of this new wool batt (with top and backing)

and it machine washes (in cold water)with no problems  and dries well in

the dryer on low or air dry setting (although I wouldn't recommend ever

drying a finished quilt in the dryer).

        Other nice qualities are that "wool batts are naturally mildew resistant

and resist moth damage when coverd with cotton fabrics.  Moths do not eat

the wool fibers unless dirt - their food - is attached to the fibers." (As

described in Harriet Hargrave's Heirloom Machine Quilting book)

        As mentioned in Harriet Hargrave's book polyester is often used in quilts

made for babies . . ."if exposed to fire or high heat the fibers will melt

and the resins on the batt will cause them to flare". On the other hand,

"Wool is flame-resistant.  When exposed to flames it smolders at a low

temperature and self-extinguishes with a cool ash, making it an extremely

safe fiber to use for small children."

        Just wanted to be clear about this new wool batt by Hobbs developed with

Harriet Hargrave.  (PS:  absolutely no affiliation with Hobbs or Hargrave .

. .just recently discovered and love quilting this wool batt) Victoria

Montgomery QRestoreaol.com

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 18:03:09 -0500 (EST)

From: QRestoreaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: "The Garden Quilt"

I have to agree with Sharon . . .I too was lucky enough to be exposed to

this beautiful quilt with beautiful workmanship.  It's so nice to know

there a still unfound treasures out there just waiting to be discovered.

What inspiration! Victoria Montgomery QRestoreaol.com  

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 18:16:07 -0500 (EST)

From: QRestoreaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: random fabrics vs co...

Dear Sadie;

Couldn't agree more with your comments . . .as to the question about

combining vintage fabrics with reproduction fabrics in a new project . .

.yes, absolutely.  Our grandmothers and great grandmothers used fabrics

available to them, used, worn and new, didn't matter . . .that's part of

their charm. . . but you already know that.

        I do hope your okay with this because the block I'm stitching for your

*new* quilt project (hopefully will be in the mail this week to you) is

made with vintage fabric . . .I love to share my collection of vintage

fabrics with other quilters.  Victoria Montgomery QRestoreaol.com 

------------------------------Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 21:18:23 -0500

(EST)From: MiamiQuiltaol.comTo: QHLcuenet.comSubject: QHL: Re: QHL-Digest

Digest V97 #51

to Quiltfix,

Hi! Alan, yes, it is Pam in Miami. It was too small of a group to not be

you but better to check than to embarass yourself. How is your quilt repair

coming that you brought to Albany? I am amazed at the response to

Christine's "s" blocks? Controversy is part of scholarship and in as such

it needs to be heard to reveal all the potential of an object. Bravo for

different opinionsand let's remain open minded and keep it on a

professional level. That's it for my lecture.

Pam

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From: BBMorrisaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Combining old with new fabrics

I have a quilt made by my great grandmother that has both old and new

fabrics in it.  Some small squares of the old fabric is pieced to have a large

enough piece to finish that block.  Some of the solids were "NEW" feed sacks that

were home dyed a navy blue that ran when the quilt was washed the first

time.   I have no problem with combining old with new fabrics as long as the old

ones are in good condition.  I am just keeping up a family tradition

Barbara in GA

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 23:10:47 -0500 (EST)

From: Karen108delphi.com

To: qhlcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Batts

I have a wool batt, but after several attempts (and problems with one of my

cats,

who enjoye *eating* the batt) with it I use it mainly for trapunto.  I'm

sticking with Warm 'n Natural until I find something better...but I don't

use polyester for anything serious these days.

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 22:37:56 -0600

From: ShirleySpencer <ShirleySpencerprodigy.net>

To: QHLcuenet.com

I just love this list. I've been subscribing since issue #10, so thought

it was time I introduced myself.

I've been interested in vintage quilts for several years and have

collected many quilts, tops, and blocks. I have devoured Brackman and

many other quilt history books as well as the state documentary books.

I am a member of the Quilt Restoration Society - been to both

conferences and have met many of you there. I'm active in my local

quild, have served on the board in many capacities. Actually I'm quite

ready to sit back next year and listen and watch.

I find I am particularly interested in quilts made on the frontier and

the difficulties those women encountered.  Because of that I have

dabbled a little in natural dyeing to see just how difficult that was

for our foremothers. I certainly am not expert, but I've learned a lot.

Haven't had time to do it for some time.

I have a vintage quilt dilemma. See my next post.

Shirley Spencer in Rockford, Illinois

ShirleySpencerProdigy.net

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 23:17:23 -0600

From: ShirleySpencer <ShirleySpencerprodigy.net>

I have a friend who has a crib quilt made my her mother in the 30's. It

is a Sunbonnet Sue summer quilt with no batting. 

My friend, I will call her Lucy, wants to give this quilt to her

children. She wants each of her three grown sons to have a piece of it,

and she actually started to cut it up in order to make 3 pillows. It now

has a small cut in it.  Right after she cut it, she showed it to me and

told me her intent. I tried very hard to not go ballistic and scream "Do

not cut this quilt up." I took a deep breath and tried to explain that

when you are done, you will have pieces of a quilt, but you will no

longer have your beloved quilt. It will no longer BE a quilt.

I gave her several suggestions. Keep the quilt for a while until you see

which of your sons or their wives or their children might want and

appreciate your baby quilt. After all, not all of our children like

quilts and maybe they won't want it at all. Particularly since it is a

Sunbonnet Sue and more appealing to girls. She was adamant that she

wanted each ofthem to have a piece of this quilt.  I suggested that

pillows sometimes become worn, dirty, and are thrown away. I told her I

would be happy to help her repair the small cut so she could keep it as

a quilt. I also suggested she could make copies of it.

Pretty soon I realized I was getting too involved here and I could see

she really didn't like my ideas, so because we are friends I dropped the

subject and never asked about it again and Lucy never mentioned it. This

happened a few years ago.  I've often wondered what happened to that

quilt.

I guess I should say here that I am a more experienced quilter than she

is, but she has made some baby quilts for her grandkids and others. We

were recently together vacationing at the same spot. We went to a couple

quilt shops together and she is getting interested in more serious

quilting. I have been encouraging and shared a lot of magazines and

stuff with her because I would really like to see her spread her wings.

She finally mentioned the quilt one day saying she still had it and had

done nothing with it. She added that she had had her mother sign each

block before she died. I was delighted to hear that the quilt was still

in one piece and asked her what she had decided to do? She said she was

thinking about it but wanted to finish up her current project. I was

encouraged that she brought the subject up, since she knows how I feel.

That's where it stands now.  What do you think? I welcome your comments.

ShirleySpencerprodigy.net

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 97 22:26:31 -0800

From: beth_novakom.cv.hp.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: a strange problem

Message-Id: <H000037a09e89ea6MHS>

Item Subject: cc:Mail Text

     Hello fellow quilters, I'm new to the list.

     I have a strange problem that I've never run across before.  I

     purchased a depression era 4 point star/strings quilt that was

     extensively damaged by mice (three corners out of four were entirely

     missing, along with some large central holes).  There was (and still

     is ) also some minor mildew staining.  This was purchased from a well

     known dealer who must have had it cleaned because it should have

     smelled awful, and it smelled just fine.  I diligently fixed the

     quilt, which was quite a major undertaking, and put a new backing on

     it.  Looks great now, but a big problem has come up.  Every time I am

     near that quilt my sinuses have a major attack and feel like they are

     swelling like balloons inside my head.  Something about the quilt is

     giving me an allergy attack, and I have never had allergies in my

     life! 

     Could it be the cleaning solution that was used, the former presence

     of mice, the mildew, or something else? When working on the quilt, I

     noticed the cotton batting seemed rougher than any I have ever seen

     before.  It seems like the batting was disintigrating or dusty, and

     had tiny black areas evenly spaced in the cotton (looked like part of

     the cotton itself, combed in). Maybe the cotton was never cleaned?

     I put a lot of time into that old quilt, and would really like to be

     able to stand being near it.  As it is, I'm even afraid that hanging

     it on the wall might be an irritant.  An obvious solution might be to

     try to wash it, but some of the original fabric is looking so fragile

     I don't think I should.  I know this quilt is unsuitable to ever use

     on a bed, because some of the fabric is so fragile, but I'd like to be

     able to enoy it!

     Any opinions or suggestions would be appreciated!

     Beth_Novakom.cv.hp.com

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 05:49:51 -0500 (EST)

From: Baglady111aol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: random fabrics vs co...

Message-ID: <970224054950_1812705154emout05.mail.aol.com>

Well, Victoria, we too like to share oaur 'vintage' feedsacks with

others..and you should have some..if you send me your snail mail

address..I'll send you some..Jane

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 05:54:33 -0500 (EST)

From: Baglady111aol.com

Hi Barbara, would like to know more aobut your feedsack quilt..the pattern,

colors, etc..and yes , it probbly was dyed if it is navy..in solids I have

never come across any dark colors..they seem to lean to the pastels.

altho,

I jsut received a batch and the background is navy with flowers. in

yellow..I

awas surprised but pleased..jane

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:12:54 -0500 (EST)

From: "Kris Driessen,  Hickory Hill Antique Quilts" <oldquiltalbany.net

Just picked up the mail and in it were some wonderful books from Halstead

and Meadows Publishing.  I bought Pieced from Ellen's Quilt, Ellen

Spaulding Reed's Letters and Story; Elizabeth Roseberry Mitchell's Graveyard Quilt,   an American Pioneer Saga and Remember me; Women and their Friendship Quilts.   Oh, they look wonderful!  I bought three of each (so I could get the discount); if anyone wants one, please let me know. 

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 97 09:35:27 PST

From: John & Cinda Cawley <cawleyepix.net>

To: AJSNGSaol.com, QHLcue.com

Subject: Re: QHL: Friendship quilt etc

Message-ID: <Chameleon.970224094158.cawley.epix.net>

Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

I posted my note to Merikay to the list because I thought it might be of

some interest to others.    In her book Soft Covers for Hard Times (p. 61)

Merikay writes about a fundraising quilt in her collection called the

Brownsville quilt.  The Keystone quilt is mine.  It consists of 25 blocks

each emroidered with goldenrod, 10 signatures and an appliqued keystone. 

It was made in Indiana Co. PA, probably around 1930.  Merickay is trying

to help me discover if it was taken from a published pattern.  There were

several collections of patterns of the states available at the time.  So

far I've only identified a handful of the 250 names on the quilt and have

no idea why it was made.  This is a long term project.

-------------------------------------

Name: John & Cinda Cawley

E-mail: cawleyepix.net

Date: 2/24/97

Time: 9:35:28 AM

This message was sent by Chameleon

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:37:04 -0800

From: mlelowell.edu (Mary Lou Evans)

To: wearablelistserv.embroideryclubs.com, QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Unidentified subject!

Message-Id: <v01530501af37717c9687[192.103.11.79]>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

 Hi All,

 I notice that someone is using information from one of the two lists I am

on to send advertizing material to me ( see below).  I already get enough

unsolicited junk.  Is there anyway to stop that from happening?  I'd

certainly like to know who is abusing this information.

                                                Thanks, Mary Lou

Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:07:54 -0500 (EST)

From: BBMorrisaol.comJane

Thanks for your interest in my quilt.  I went in the bedroom and took a

close

look at it.  Most of the fabrics are leftovers from making clothing.  It

has

a border of small squares around the whole quilt that are random colors and

prints.  It is real scrappy.  I'm not real sure just what the pattern is.

I cannot find it in any of my books, Brackman and such.  I have your snail

mail address so I will take a photo of it and send it to you soon.  Maybe you

will have an idea of what pattern or where they got it.  It sort of resembles an

ocean wave but it uses squares and triangles and is pieced in a funny

order.  It is a real mystery to me.

Barbara in GA

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 18:14:11 -0500 (EST)

From: Karen108delphi.com

To: qhlcuenet.com

Here's what I'd suggest to Lucy.  Make two copies of the quilt, as close as

she can, using vintage fabrics if possible and copying the techniques.  Include

a  label on the copies stating the source and the maker.  Then, talk to each

of the boys in turn to determine which one would *really* appreciate the quilt and

which ones are indifferent (or wait until they marry and see which of their

wives would be a suitable keeper).

A second possibility would be to put a provision in her will giving the

quilt to each son in turn for a specified period of time (say, two years), at which

point he gives it to the next brother, on a rotating basis.  At the end of

the cycle, the boys themselves will know who really loves it and will be able

to  decide for themselves.

One thing Lucy (and everyone) should be aware of:  it doesn't matter if

*she* thinks the quilt is an heirloom.  It's only an heirloom if the *legatee*

thinks it is.  My mother died late last year and left me a collection of some 25

antique German bisque headed dolls.  She begged me several years ago to

promise that I would never sell them.  I didn't - *couldn't* - make that promise

because, quite simply, my interests and my tastes aren't hers.  I kept three that

I'd  always liked and consigned the rest to a reputable auction house; I didn't

have the room (some of them are the size of toddlers!), didn't have the desire

to  keep them, and didn't have the means to store or display them properly.  It

would have been ultimately selfish of me to keep them and thus prevent

collectors who *would* love and care for them from having the joy of owning these

beautiful dolls.  Although a quilt made by an ancestor isn't in quite the same

category, if none of Lucy's boys wants it or is interested in it, she might want to

find a relative (niece/nephew, someday maybe a grandchild) who is, and make

appropriate provisions.

Just my two cents....:)

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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 22:49:16 -0500

From: Mary Beth Goodman <mgoodmanalbany.net>

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Re: Batts and Junk Email

I normally use Hobbs Heirloom for quilting and like it very much. Tried

Warm and Natural once but it was a little too dense for me - thought it

made the quilt seem a bit too stiff, even after having been prewashed etc.

        I am using a Hobbs Wool Batt in a wool quilt - it is wonderful to quilt

thru. But I am sure that the cats are going to be VERY fond of this

quilt.... so no body is getting near it until it's finished (many MANY

miles of quilting to do on this one) and it's been shown a bit.

Then they can drool on it all they want! LOL

Mary Beth Goodman, Queen, NYQuilts!, Quilts, Fairfield Fashion Show,

vendors, lectures, classes! , June 7 & 8, 1997 , Russell Sage College, Troy

NY

http://www.albany.net/~mgoodman/NYQuilts.htm

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:56:31 EST

From: nancecruikjuno.com (Nancy A Cruikshank)

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Nine Patch News Repeat

To subscribe to Nine Patch News on AMERICA ON LINE, follow these

instructions exactly:

Send e-mail to: LISTSERVLISTSERV.AOL.COM

In subject put: SUBSCRIBE NINEPATCH

In body put: SUBSCRIBE NINEPATCH and your real name, not your e-mail

address.

There must be nothing else in the body.  If you have an automatic signature

either remove it for this e-mail or let it be your real name.

        This is sent because several people asked me for help in subscribing.  I

can't make it any clearer and YOU must do it yourself because that is where

it gets your e-mail address.

Nance Cruikshank

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:22:41 -0500 (EST)

From: KirkCollaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Re: Introduction

I'm Nancy Kirk at the Kirk Collection in Omaha, NE.  Haven't done a formal

introduction, because when a business owner is on a list like this it can

seem like advertising; but Kris said everyone wants information too, so

here goes.

        We deal in antique fabrics -- primarily 1850's to the 1950's.  We focus on

quilting cottons, feedsacks and crazy quilt fabrics, but also carry lawn,

dimity and batiste for doll costumers, and the occasional piece of

upholstery fabric.

        We also carry certain reproduction fabrics -- we try to focus on the ones

that are accurate for both color and surface design.  We carry the orginal

and the new Harriet Hargrave collections, the DeGama indigoes from South

Africa and some of the American Folk and Fabric prints.  We're looking at

the Timeless Traditions line and Bev Dunivent's new Posy fabrics.

        We offer natural fiber batting that does not include any polyester or

resins in the manufacture.  We currently stock Quilters Request cotton,

Mountain Mist cotton, wool batts that we have custom made by St. Peters

Mill with no additives, black wool batts custom made, and silk batting.

Also needles for quilting in cotton, wool and silk batting.

        There are a number of books on quilt history and restoration, software

titles and other miscellaneous things in the catalog -- which is free --

we're happy to send one to anyone who asks.

        In another part of my life, I'm active in the Quilt Restoration Society --

we host the conference here in Omaha in September.  There is a discount

available until March 15 for the conference registration that allows you to

save up to $25 (coincidentally the price of your annual membership).  We'll

be happy to send the registration information and coupon to anyone on the

list.  Faculty this year are Barbara Brackman, Terry Thompson, Bets Ramsey,

Sara Dillow, Dr. Patricia Cox Crews and Camille Cognac.  More information

later as the conference gets closer.   There will be a pre-conference Quilt

Appraisal School and post-conference Fabric Camp.  Send a e-mail for

details. I think that's enough for now. 

Nancy Kirk , The Kirk Collection, 1513 Military Avenue , Omaha, NE 68111

1-800-398-2542 (U.S. and Canada), (402) 551-0386 Email: KirkCollaol.com

FAX (402) 551-0971

Web site: http://www.auntie.com/kirk

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:45:06 -0500 (EST)

From: NSchm007aol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Smithsonian Fabrics

Hello Friends,

    Did you all know that when you purchase Smithsonian fabrics that you

are supposed to receive a label of put on your finished quilt?  A local

quilting supplies shop owner told me this yesterday.  She says that it is

supposed to make your quilt more valuable.  Do you all feel that just using

the Smithsonian collection increases the value?  My blood (usually), sweat

(especially in summer), and tears (when I have to take it apart to get

pieces to match better) is usually enough for me :>) Sara in NC

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:47:43 -0500 (EST)

From: QuiltLineaol.com

To: QRSalbany.net, QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: ?missing museum

Is there anyone out there with any knowledge of what happened to the

American Quilt Museum that use to be in Marietta, PA ?  Several years ago,

when she lived in the area, an acquaintence of mine says she donated some

family quilts to the museum.  She just came back from a visit there

recently, and the museum has apparently moved.  I thought someone on the

list might know of it - or where it is? Thanks ahead for a reply!

  Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:42:44 -0500
From: Ricki Maietta <rmaiettacsrlink.net>
To: QHLcuenet.com
Subject: QHL: same fabrics
Message-Id: <199702260329.TAA15319orbital.cue.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Sadie Rose stated: > My personal preference is not to use "sister prints"
(same motif,
>different colorways) repeatedly in a project.

Just wanted to point out that I have seen this done in antique quilts! Same
fabric in several colorways in the same quilt. Perfect examble was a quilt
in our musuem show last summer. Black background with squiggly worm-like
shapes in very intense, almost neon colors - about 1890 I think. (These
fabrics were reproduced 3 or 4 years ago). The quilt had several color
versions of this fabric - one block would be green, the next one pink, the
next one purple, etc.

Ricki in PA

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 21:07:28 -0600
From: LAURA SYLER <texas_quilt.coairmail.net>
To: Quilt Heritage List <QHLcuenet.com>
Subject: QHL: Introduction
Message-ID: <3313A8F0.91Eairmail.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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Hi..I am Laura Hobby Syler from Richardson, TX. I found this site by
way of Nancy Kirk and since Nancy did her intro, I'll give mine.

I've been doing classes, lectures and workshops for about 13 years
since I closed the retail version of Texas Quilt Co. at various shops
and guilds. Two yeas ago I formally resurected the TQC name and have
the only (that we know of) professional quilt restoration business in
the north Texas area. If any one knows of anyone else let me know..I'm
swamped. Aside from teaching and lecturing, I am also publicist for the
Quilter's Guild of Dallas (Charter Member & past Pres.) and for Dallas
Quilt Celebration. I'll send info on the show later

I've only been on the list about 24 hours, and it is already helpful.
Thanks Kris!!

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Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 21:28:48 -0600
From: LAURA SYLER <texas_quilt.coairmail.net>
To: Quilt Heritage List <QHLcuenet.com>
Subject: QHL: Dallas Quilt Celebration '97
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>Dallas Quilt Celebration '97 March 21,22,23> Dallas World Trade Center 2050 Stemmons Freeway, NOTE:location change from last year, 2 blocks south. We will be back at Market Hall in '98 & '99.

This is the 16th annual show sponsored by the Quilter's Guild of Dallas,
Inc. It is the largest NOT FOR PROFIT quilt show produced by a
non-profit organization and staffed entirely by members and volunteers.

We have just under 400 quilts entered into the judged portion of the
show. Judges are Tina Gravatt, Genie Barnes & Judy B. Dales, each of
which will be conducting lectures. Tina on "Miniature Quilts", Genie on
"The Worth of a Quilt" & Judy on "Color Me Quilts".

120 Vendors, a miniature quilt auction on Saturday,& Fashion show.

This years special exhibits include quilts "Made by Kids", "Quilts To
Comfort"(Quilts made for Ronald McDonald and other children's charities
sponsored by QGD)"No White Gloves Needed" - an interactive textile
exhibit highlighting antique textiles, "Can this Quilt Be Saved?" and a
special area devoted to the Quilt Restoration Society. Lectures on
Crazy Quilts,by Cindy Brick, Dating Fabric in Antique Quilts,by Nancy
Kirk and How to Be A Quilt Detective by Laura Hobby Syler are just a few
of the things going on. There will also be the first session of the
Quilt Rescue Squad of the Quilt Heritage Foundation, a resting place for
those unwanted quilts, or those loved to death that can become donor
parts Genie Barnes will also be conducting appraisals for the guild.

If you want more information, please e-mail me your snail mail and I'll
send you the packet detailing ALL the lectures(including those by Judges
Eugenia Barnes, Judy Dales and Tina Gravatt)fees and all the necessary
stuff.
Many thanks to our quilting sponsors, Quilter's Newsletter Magazine,
Pfaff, That Patchwork Place, Hobbs, P&B Textiles, Bernina, Fairfield
Processing corp. just to mention a few.

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 19:56:25 +1000
From: Sven Olsson <svenpnc.com.au>

Sven Olsson wrote:
>
> Dear Kris,
>
> I have just aquired a 1940 Grandmother's Fan quilt, partially quilted
> and unbound. Possibly African American.
> It is very colourful, gold set with bright multicoloured fans in 9"
> blocks.
> The quilting is very primitive in a fan pattern
> I am considering that I could finish it , but I would like a bright blue
> feedsack binding.
> About 1/2 the blocks are made of colouful feedsacks.
> The batting is quite thick, and I think it would have been commercially
> produced. It is an off white colour, but this may be just
> discolouration.
> To the point omy note, Have you any feedsacks in a bright mid blue that
> I might purchase?
>
> Lorraine Olsson in Australia
>
> Comments from anyone else please :o)

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 06:36:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Baglady111aol.com
To: QHLcuenet.com
Subject: Re: QHL: Re: Introduction
Message-ID: <970226063649_-1340118032emout03.mail.aol.com>

Welcome, Nancy. I know everyone is going to enjoy 'reading' you. By the way,
you will be receiving an acid free box from Ann..at Hollinger..gave her your
name..as I do with othrs that need questons answered..this is great because
now they can contact you because of your posts here on QHL..Jane

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 07:59:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Baglady111aol.com
To: QHLcuenet.com
Subject: Re: QHL: Re: Feedsacks
Message-ID: <970226075955_1449810588emout06.mail.aol.com>

How much do you need for your binding? The blues I am familar with are what
we call surgical blue..like you see on the medical programs on TV..but if you
take the plain whtie/off white..you can dye tem tothe exact blue you are
looking for..andwe can find you yards and yards of that..I have numerous
members who sell feedsacks and I'll be happy to send you their
names/addresses..several can be emailed..post here or email me
privately..Jane

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:28:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Quiltfixaol.com
To: QHLcuenet.com
Subject: QHL: Re: QHL-Digest Digest V97 #54
Message-ID: <970226172843_-1038501795emout16.mail.aol.com>

Hi y'all.

Just had to tell you the neatest thing. I was at an antique auction two
weeks ago. At this auction (which typically has those new, made-in-China
quilts) was a pair of the best quilts I've ever seen there. Both red and
green applique from the depression era, one was tulips and the other was a
rose wreath. I liked both, but really wanted the wreath quilt. The colors
were faded, but the applique and quilting were magnificent! Perfect. Well,
I was due somewhere else, so I left an absentee bid (for those who don't
know, auctions will have a preview of the items for sale. You can go look and
leave a bid on the item - I usually leave a range, this time was $50-$100.
Hey, I know this auction and it's not unreasonable to bid that). Needless
to say, I never got that call telling me it was mine. Sob!

Now for the neat part. Last Saturday I was asked if I wanted to buy it still
! It turns out a friend knew I wanted it, so she bid on it to be certain I
would get it. It'll cost me more than I had originally planned, but what a
nice thing to do.

She also mentioned, on an aside, that her mom's quilt is worn through the
center on the fold. Well, I told her to bring it with her sometime and I 'd
look at it.
I now have decided, one good turn deserves another!

Alan

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:34:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Quiltfixaol.com
To: QHLcuenet.com
Subject: QHL: Re: new and old fabrics
Message-ID: <970226173421_178145893emout19.mail.aol.com>

I have one suggestion if you must combine old and new reproduction fabrics in
a new quilt. Be absolutely certain to label the piece. It wouldn't be fair
to allow future owners to believe their quilt is 60 years older than it is!

I love W&N batting. I've started another quilting, and it's *SO* different
from the Heirloom 80/20 (By the way, why do they make the actual fiber
content on their packaging so small? After all my fussing, I accidentally
bought another batt because it says "Hobbs Heirloom Cotton". Made me feel as
if I'd been taken, even though I returned it.)

Fussing in Florida

Alan

>------------------------------

>Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:42:44 -0500

>From: Ricki Maietta < GOTOBUTTON BM_1_ rmaiettacsrlink.net>

>

>Sadie Rose stated: > My personal preference is not to use "sister prints"

>(same motif,

>different colorways) repeatedly in a project.

> Just wanted to point out that I have seen this done in antique quilts!

>Same fabric in several colorways in the same quilt. Perfect examble was a

>quilt in our musuem show last summer. Black background with squiggly

>worm-like shapes in very intense, almost neon colors - about 1890 I think.

>(These fabrics were reproduced 3 or 4 years ago). The quilt had several

>color versions of this fabric - one block would be green, the next one

>pink, the next one purple, etc. Ricki in PA

>

>------------------------------

>Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 21:07:28 -0600

>From: LAURA SYLER < GOTOBUTTON BM_2_ texas_quilt.coairmail.net>

>

>Hi..I am Laura Hobby Syler from Richardson, TX. I found this site by way

>of Nancy Kirk and since Nancy did her intro, I'll give mine.

> I've been doing classes, lectures and workshops for about 13 years

>since

>I closed the retail version of Texas Quilt Co. at various shops and guilds.

> Two yeas ago I formally resurrected the TQC name and have the only (that

>we know of) professional quilt restoration business in the north Texas

>area. If any one knows of anyone else let me know..I'm swamped. Aside from

>teaching and lecturing, I am also publicist for the Quilter's Guild of

>Dallas (Charter Member & past Pres.) and for Dallas Quilt Celebration. I'll

>send info on the show later

>I've only been on the list about 24 hours, and it is already helpful.

>Thanks Kris!!

>------------------------------

>Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 21:28:48 -0600

>From: LAURA SYLER < GOTOBUTTON BM_3_ texas_quilt.coairmail.net>

>

> >Dallas Quilt Celebration '97 March 21,22,23> Dallas World Trade Center

>2050 Stemmons Freeway, NOTE:location change from last year, 2 blocks south.

>We will be back at Market Hall in '98 & '99.

> This is the 16th annual show sponsored by the Quilter's Guild of

>Dallas,

>Inc. It is the largest NOT FOR PROFIT quilt show produced by a non-profit

>organization and staffed entirely by members and volunteers.

> We have just under 400 quilts entered into the judged portion of the

>show. Judges are Tina Gravatt, Genie Barnes & Judy B. Dales, each of which

>will be conducting lectures. Tina on "Miniature Quilts", Genie on "The

>Worth of a Quilt" & Judy on "Color Me Quilts".

> 120 Vendors, a miniature quilt auction on Saturday,& Fashion show.

> This years special exhibits include quilts "Made by Kids", "Quilts To

>Comfort"(Quilts made for Ronald McDonald and other children's charities

>sponsored by QGD)"No White Gloves Needed" - an interactive textile exhibit

>highlighting antique textiles, "Can this Quilt Be Saved?" and a

>special area devoted to the Quilt Restoration Society. Lectures on Crazy

>Quilts,by Cindy Brick, Dating Fabric in Antique Quilts,by Nancy Kirk and

>How to Be A Quilt Detective by Laura Hobby Syler are just a few of the

>things going on. There will also be the first session of the

>Quilt Rescue Squad of the Quilt Heritage Foundation, a resting place for

>those unwanted quilts, or those loved to death that can become donor parts

> Genie Barnes will also be conducting appraisals for the guild.

> If you want more information, please e-mail me your snail mail and

>I'll

>send you the packet detailing ALL the lectures(including those by Judges

>Eugenia Barnes, Judy Dales and Tina Gravatt)fees and all the necessary

>stuff. Many thanks to our quilting sponsors, Quilter's Newsletter

>Magazine, Pfaff, That Patchwork Place, Hobbs, P&B Textiles, Bernina,

>Fairfield

>Processing corp. just to mention a few.

>------------------------------

>Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 19:56:25 +1000

>From: Sven Olsson < GOTOBUTTON BM_4_ svenpnc.com.au>

>

>Sven Olsson wrote: Dear Kris,

>I have just aquired a 1940 Grandmother's Fan quilt, partially quilted and

>unbound. Possibly African American. It is very colourful, gold set with

>bright multicoloured fans in 9" blocks.

> > The quilting is very primitive in a fan pattern I am considering that I

>could finish it , but I would like a bright blue feedsack binding. About

>1/2 the blocks are made of colouful feedsacks.

> The batting is quite thick, and I think it would have been commercially

>produced. It is an off white colour, but this may be just discolouration.

>To the point omy note, Have you any feedsacks in a bright mid blue that I

>might purchase? Lorraine Olsson in Australia

>

>Comments from anyone else please :o)

>------------------------------

>Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 06:40:54 -0500 (EST)

>From: Baglady111aol.com

>To: QHLcuenet.com

>

>ooops! I forgot to mention..I would like the info to put in THE FEEDSACK

>CLUB'S newsletter..it will be too late for the discount as they won't reach

>my members by then. if you have a mailing list,can you put us on it so that

>we can pass the info along?? Jane

>------------------------------

>Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 06:36:50 -0500 (EST)

>From: Baglady111aol.com

>

>

>Welcome, Nancy. I know everyone is going to enjoy 'reading' you. By the

>way, you will be receiving an acid free box from Ann..at Hollinger..gave

>her your name..as I do with othrs that need questons answered..this is

>great because now they can contact you because of your posts here on

>QHL..Jane

>------------------------------

>Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 07:59:56 -0500 (EST)

>

>

>How much do you need for your binding? The blues I am familar with are

>what we call surgical blue..like you see on the medical programs on TV..but

>if you take the plain whtie/off white..you can dye tem tothe exact blue you

>are looking for..andwe can find you yards and yards of that..I have

>numerous members who sell feedsacks and I'll be happy to send you their

>names/addresses..several can be emailed..post here or email me

>privately..Jane

>------------------------------

>Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:28:47 -0500 (EST)

>From: Quiltfixaol.com

>

>

>Hi y'all.

>Just had to tell you the neatest thing. I was at an antique auction two

>weeks ago. At this auction (which typically has those new, made-in-China

>quilts) was a pair of the best quilts I've ever seen there. Both red and

>green applique from the depression era, one was tulips and the other was a

>rose wreath. I liked both, but really wanted the wreath quilt. The colors

>were faded, but the applique and quilting were magnificent! Perfect.

>Well, I was due somewhere else, so I left an absentee bid (for those who

>don't know, auctions will have a preview of the items for sale. You can go

>look and leave a bid on the item - I usually leave a range, this time was

>$50-$100. Hey, I know this auction and it's not unreasonable to bid that).

> Needless

>to say, I never got that call telling me it was mine. Sob!

> Now for the neat part. Last Saturday I was asked if I wanted to buy

>it

>still ! It turns out a friend knew I wanted it, so she bid on it to be

>certain I would get it. It'll cost me more than I had originally planned,

>but what a nice thing to do.

> She also mentioned, on an aside, that her mom's quilt is worn through

>the

>center on the fold. Well, I told her to bring it with her sometime and I

>'d look at it. I now have decided, one good turn deserves another! Alan

>------------------------------

>Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 17:34:22 -0500 (EST)

>From: GOTOBUTTON BM_5_ Quiltfixaol.com

>

>I have one suggestion if you must combine old and new reproduction fabrics

>in a new quilt. Be absolutely certain to label the piece. It wouldn't be

>fair to allow future owners to believe their quilt is 60 years older than

>it is!

> I love W&N batting. I've started another quilting, and it's *SO*

>different from the Heirloom 80/20 (By the way, why do they make the actual

>fiber content on their packaging so small? After all my fussing, I

>accidentally bought another batt because it says "Hobbs Heirloom Cotton".

>Made me feel as if I'd been taken, even though I returned it.) Fussing in

>Florida

>Alan

>-

This is the answer for deskunking, I believe it

will

also work for dog and cat smells. It ran on

Discovery.ca, a prestigious Canadian science

news program.

http://www.exn.ca/searchresults/2000050559.asp

Contrary to popular opinion, using tomato juice

is just a myth when it

comes to eliminating the smell of a skunk. All

this will do is add the

smell of tomato juice to the smell of the spray,

or it's chemical name

butenyl. In order to fully get the smell off

yourself or your pet, use

three per cent hydrogen peroxide - about a litre

of it. Mix this with a

quarter cup of sodium bicarbonate, or baking

soda, and add a dash of

dish liquid detergent. The dish detergent will

bring the butenyl to

the surface, and the other two chemicals will

chemically react with the

smell and destroy it.

Recipe for ridding skunk smell:

- 1 litre of three per cent hydrogen peroxide

- 8 cup sodium bicarbonate, or baking soda

- dash of hand dish detergent

Mix all of these together, then wash the areas

that have been sprayed.

Afterwards, wash with normal soap and water to

get the soap off your pet,

or yourself for that matter.

Diana, Nova Scotia, Canada

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