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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 08:39:14 -0500 (EST) From: PElkovitchaol.com To: QHLcuenet.com Subject: QHL: I have the autograph blocks in my hands now. . . . Message-ID: <971108083913_1137270222mrin41.mail.aol.com>

Just thought some might be interested in the autograph blocks that my DH acquired through an auction. The 18 blocks are each 3"x3" on a fine linen (and in good supple condition). No other fabrics are attached, however the seam line 1/8th of an inch from the edge remains with needle holes. :( The signature by Edward E. Hale has the following quote above his name:

Look up and not down Look forward and not back Look out and not in Lend a Hand

The other blocks are signed by: L M Alcott, Wendell Phillips, Adeluiele Phillips (wife??), James Shrigley Philadelphia, Henry Blanchard, Nabert Callyer, B.T. Shiltonbe (sp?), Mrs. Rebecca Conant Aged 83 years, H (?) C. Barnabes, P.F. Withington, Julia A.H. Fay, E. Fay, Horation Ribbins San Francisco California, Lotta November 17th 1880 ( I am ASSUMING at this point that this is Charlotte Mignon "Lotta" Crabtree but I need to research her autograph as she would fit in the time period), W. H.H. Murray, Henry Ward Beecher, and Josh Billings.

The following information was sent: The consignor has provided the following information regarding this lot: It was purchased from remains of an old house, located in either concord or Lexington, Mass., some time ago. The house was at least 100 years old. Included in the remains, along with these signed squares of cloth, were such relics as strands of George Washington's hair.

So, I'm off to research. . . . . and Louisa M Alcott did live her adult life in Concord. . . . so, maybe I'll start with research there . . . . . and my mind drifts into wondering if there were other blocks that went with these???? . . . . . .how were the blocks originally set????. . . . . who was the quilt for????? But, I also realize that if the signatures were included in a quilt, would they have survived????

Thanks for listening and for letters that I got privately with great advise, I really appreciate your help.

Patricia C. Elkovitch Skaneateles, New York

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 09:41:56 -0500 (EST)

On 6-NOV-1997 18:58:13.5 Baglady111 said to JOCELYNM > EKarenbeth, you mention the spinners..was spinning a 'home chore' for >women and a profession for men?? I read at one time that men were the >primarly weavers..women did these sorts of things for utilitarian >purposes..any input on this?? JANE of THE FEEDSACK CLUB Jane, That depends upon the time you're talking about. Early on in history (like 1000 AD) both jobs were home production, and tended to be women's jobs. With the rise of the medieval craft guilds, weaving became a trade, which meant it was taken over by men. Knitting was also a trade guild. Women might still weave at home, but production weaving for sales was primarily a man's job (a few women worked alongside a weaver father or husband, and were allowed guild priveleges). After the Industrial Revolution, when mills became more economical than home production, women became popular employees since strength and stamina were no longer as essential. I'm not aware of any time at which spinning was a man's job more than a woman's though. Girls in England were often assigned the jobs of herding animals (remember the goosegirl from fairy tales?) and either knitting or spinning at the same time. A skilled spinner can walk at near-normal speed AND spin at near-normal speed (using a drop spindle, not a wheel! <G>); I've seen it done. Jane Addams of Hull-House told of immigrant Italian women who told her that in Italy, they would drop their spindles over a cliff to get a nice long drop......their skill being so perfected that they never lost a spindle by breaking the thread! Jocelyn

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 09:03:05 -0600 (CST) From: Phil & Lee Spanner <philspanbucky.win.bright.net>

QHLers-- > Trust quilters to know the answers to EVERYTHING! > Don't know if any of you watch NYPDBlue, but in a recent episode one of >the detectives (Sipowitz, for those of you who do), kept asking everybody >what "pop goes the weasel" meant. All I could come up with was the >background info on Ring Around the Roses. > Thanks, Jean Ann.

Jean Ann,

My memory isn't what it used to be, but maybe this will jog someone's memory for more info on the subject.

From what I remember, I think shoemakers used a tool called a weasel that made a popping sound. Hence, "Pop goes the weasel".

Anybody have more info for us here?

Lee :^)

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 09:38:45 -0600 From: Maury Bynum <maurybynumtextileconservators.com>

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I believe the expression comes from a measuring device used to indicate when a predetermined length of yarn had been reeled. Maury Bynum

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 11:52:12, -0500 From: LVQG24Aprodigy.com ( ELIZABETH K DONALDSON)

To Xenia,

Was just catching up on old posts and found your interest in kit quilts. At the MSU Museum we have two kits, completely intact. They were purchased in the 1930's by sisters or cousins in Muskegon, MI from a company in Chicago. One was barely started and the other is untouched. Original correspondence from the company with price lists, etc are still in the boxes they were mailed in! Cost of postage was 3- 3 cent stamps. They are both lone star quilts in two different (but similar) color choices. The diamonds are die cut solid fabrics, but no background fabric was included, you ordered that seperately. I'm at home now and just giving you info from my memory. When I get back to work next week I'll look at them again and send you more information. You are also invited to come and visit them yourself, we love researchers at the museum.

Beth Donaldson Quilt Collections Assistant Michigan State University Museum (enjoying a beautiful football Saturday in Lansing, Michigan. My husband went to the game Purdue so I'm stuck quilting all day long!)

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 12:50:02 -0500 From: Patricia Roy <patroycomputerpro.com> (by way of "Kris Driessen, Hickory Hill Quilts" <oldquiltalbany.net>)

Has anyone ever heard of a Wedding Knot quilt? Please respond to patroycomputerpro.com

Thanks!

Kris >

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:04:17 -0500 (EST) From: Baglady111aol.com

I am seeking a list of guilds with addresses in AZ..I rec'd info for the seminar being held in Tucson SHARON HARLEMAN TANDY..can anyone advise where to look?? Please email me privately at <baglady111aol.com> unless others would be interested as well..thank you..jane of THE FEEDSACK CLUB

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:25:45 -0800 From: Quilting Heritage ListServ <qrsmail.albany.net> To: QHLcuenet.com

Ok, can anyone fill in the blanks?

Round and round the mulberry bush, The monkey chased the weavel, Dah dah dah dah dahdeleedah Pop! Goes the weasel.

My husband says "he laughed so hard, he thought he had died" You know, that does sound like a spinning song doesn't it? Now that we know what the monkey and the weasel is.

Kris

At 09:38 AM 11/8/97 -0600, you wrote: >I believe the expression comes from a measuring device used to indicate >when a predetermined length of yarn had been reeled. Maury Bynum > > >

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 11:49:41 -0900 From: Opalka <mopalkaalaska.net>

Khris, I think it is: "The monkey thought twas all in fun"

Susan(laughing while I type this)

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 17:02:51 -0800 From: Sharon Harleman Tandy <harlemanmicron.net>

QHLers, Here's a great list I found a couple of weeks ago for quilt guilds everywhere.

Jane, I finally found the home page of the Northwest website I'd sent you; it's: http://ttsw.com/QuiltGuildsPage.html I hope you are able to access it. However, Arizona does not have many listed. Sharon.

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 17:24:47 -0800 From: Sharon Harleman Tandy <harlemanmicron.net>

At Quilt Restoration Society's conference in Omaha in September, Barbara Brackman and Terry Thompson showed us a "fragile quilt top" with a conservation system I hadn't seen before and now plan to use. The top had a plain, white backing, no batting, and a wide (3 or 4") border of the back-to-front variety; then had been tied, from the back, with _thread_ at the intersections (or, Barbara said, could be in the middle of the plain blocks). The back with ties supports the fabrics, the border gives a "handle" for showing during lectures/classes, and the ties are nearly invisible. Let us know if you try this and I'll do the same. Sharon, Quilts & Answers, Boise, Idaho.

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 21:22:39 -0500 (EST) From: BukiQuiltraol.com

Jennifer, I can top you on the America's Glorious Quilts price. It was at Barnes and Noble in the bargain books shelves for $30. Then I walked in one day and it was on the 50% off table. I got it for $15!! That must have been my lucky day. It is a beautiful book and sits on my coffee table. So watch those bargain tables, that is not the first book I have picked up that way. Dee in Rockford, Il.

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 22:01:40 -0600 From: Mary Waller <mswalleriw.net>

Please confirm any information you get from the WWQP list of state and local guilds. When the South Dakota Quilters' Guild long-time secretary resigned in April 1996, I tried to have get that info updated and her address removed. It still hasn't been updated, despite my 15 - 20 attempts over the course of a year; I finally gave up. The list still has the details on our 1995 quilt show listed, for heavens' sake! The list would be a good place to start, but check the validity of information there.

Mary Waller

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 15:17:19 1000 From: Sven Olsson <svenpnc.com.au>

Kris,

The Australian version goes:

Round and round the cobblers bench the monkey chased the weasel, The monkey stopped to pull up his socks, Pop goes the weasel.

Lorraine in Oz

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 23:00:29 -0600 (CST)

At 09:22 PM 11/8/97 -0500, you wrote: >Jennifer, >I can top you on the America's Glorious Quilts price. It was at Barnes and >Noble in the bargain books shelves for $30. Then I walked in one day and it >was on the 50% off table. I got it for $15!! That must have been my lucky >day. It is a beautiful book and sits on my coffee table. >So watch those bargain tables, that is not the first book I have picked up >that way. >Dee in Rockford, Il. > > > Along with the fisherman's idea of the "first liar doesn't stand a chance" . . . <VBG> . . . . MY copy of the book was purchased in June, 1991, in Lubbock, TX, in a B Dalton for . .. . $12.95!!!

And you are all so right - just a peach of a book. I am currently [sporadically, for the past 5 years or so] working on replicating the Prairie Star quilt on page 86. It has become one of those love/hate relationships for me! When it goes good, it is very, very good, but when it is bad, it is horrid!! Right now the pieces are all safe in their little rubbermaid shoebox, waiting for my next insanity attack.

Nancy Evans - Nebraska Quilter

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 00:42:27 -0700 From: annbowcio.net (Ann Nash)

I am looking for both visual and written references to cheater cloth as to particular styles, dating and production locations. I seem to recall someone in Lawrence talking about a book they were working on, perhaps for AQS, on this subject. Does anyone know who this might be? Please advise. Thanks.

http://home.cio.net/annbow Currently showing at the La Conner Quilt Museum, PO Box 1270, 703 S. 2nd Street, La Conner, WA: Quilt Poems....Quilts by Marilyn Henrion of NYC. Boldly geometric with precise construction. Now through January 2nd, 1998. Wednesday-Sunday's, 11am-4pm, Winter Hours. Admission $3. Phone: (360)466-4288 Closed January 3-Feb 2nd.

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:48:39 -0500 (EST) From: aol.com

Patricia - if you paid less than $100 for that batch of signature blocks, you got a HUGE bargain. I don't know who some of the people are, but if these are authentic (and the provenance sounds right), you own the autographs of some of the greatest figures of the late 19th century.

Just a few off the top of my head:

Henry Ward Beecher was one of the most popular religious figures of the century. His sisters, Harriett Beecher Stowe and Catherine Beecher, were, respectively, one of the great American authors of the day (Uncle Tom's Cabin et al) and a strong advocate for women's education. They were also related to Julia Ward Howe, author of the "The Battle Hymn of the Republic."

Josh Billings was a humorist, nearly as popular as Mark Twain.

Wendell Phillips and his wife, Adele, were connected in some way to the whole Transcendentalist/Unitarian philosophical movement around Boston (yes, it was based in Concord) of the 19th century.

I would NOT quilt them yet, nor would I take them to a quilt appraiser. I would find the nearest document examiner or rare books dealer and have the signatures authenticated, then ask his/her opinion as to what to do with them. They may be unique as quilt blocks bearing these signatures, and assembling them might wreck the value. The Alcott, Beecher and Billings autographs alone are worth big money, especially the Alcott.

Good luck, and be sure to tell us what the appraiser says!

Karen Evans Easthampton, MA

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 10:06:40 -0500 From: Ricki Maietta <rmaiettacsrlink.net>

Nancy Schott - I certainly do sympathize with your dilema & wish I had such a wonderful family quilt to worry about. I DO have a quilt from my grandmother & one from her sister, but they aren't all that old or unusual.

I always recommend that you go to the museum in the area that the quilt was made - where did g-g-gmother live? Those museums are into LOCAL history. Ask to have a tour of the facility, including textile storage. Ask lots of questions about storage, care, exhibition, etc.

I'm also wondering if you have children who would properly care for this quilt & are looking forward to having it? You might have a "family meeting" - making it clear that it is, after all, YOUR decision (don't want to start something here!).

Let us know of your decision.

Ricki in PA

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 11:24:31 -0500 (EST) From: JZgliniecaol.com

Dear All, I learned:

All around the Cobbler's Bench The monkey chased the weasel. The monkey thought twas all in fun. POP goes the weasel.

Regards, Julia

Ps. Lacemaking also has contributed it' s share to Nursery Rhymes and folklore.

Jack be nimble, Jack be quick Jack jump over the candle stick.

The candle was what the children in the lace manufactories used for heat and light and the exercise was to releive cramped muscles and tedium. I digress

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 09:12:31 -0800 From: Quilting Heritage ListServ <qrsmail.albany.net>

I have to admit, this is fascinating. I had no idea "Jack jump over the candlestick" had any history basis. I *did* know that "Ring around the Rosy" referred to the Bubonic plague, and that Cinderellas disintigrating dress was something every fashionable you miss feared in those days. A great many clothes were made with basting stitches so they could be easily refashioned into something else. In fact, in the American Textiles Museum in Lowell, there is a whole display of clothes that had been something else in a former life.

Does any one else have any historical stories?

Kris

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 09:51:57 -0800 From: Anne Copeland <anneappraisrworldnet.att.net>

Dear Laura,

You are right--many of the quilt history books, esp. the state quilt history books, are full of historical errors. But that makes our job more challenging as researchers, and it helps us keep on our toes. Yes, we are very grateful for the fact that the information was gathered. Today we are facing a similar challenge, because quilters today largely do not recognize the value of documenting their quilts and those of the family. Hence, it is good that we have the Boxes project and other like projects. I am Anne Copeland, AQS certified quilt appraiser, quilt historian and quilt restoration person. Thank you for your good input. It was Brackman's book that put me on the trail to where I am today.

Sincerely, Anne

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 09:55:06 -0800

Also forgot, Patricia Cox is a wealth of information but cannot currently remember where she is. I will check on this, but does anyone else remember her or where she is? I am lost without my research materials. Anne Copeland

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 09:48:04 -0800 From: Anne Copeland <anneappraisrworldnet.att.net>

Dear Peg,

When you have a quilt that has a musty odor, and you are not certain where or how it has been stored, you would be safest to do a one-time cleaning. There is a mold that resides in such cloth, and it causes an illness similar to Valley Fever which unfortunately will not go away with an airing only. It can only be removed by proper cleaning. If you are not certain of the best method of cleaning, the best tact would be to consult a professional restoration expert. This illness has been documented by persons who have done restoration work. Better safe than sorry. The other thing would be that if it is determined that the quilt is so fragile that only vacuuming can be done, and airing, then just be certain that it is not being used as a bed cover where people are sleeping, or that it is not being handled much. You might even consider keeping some white gloves for the handling.

Sincerely, Anne Copeland

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 10:16:46 -0800 From: Anne Copeland <anneappraisrworldnet.att.net>

The Book, Soft Covers for Hard Times, by Merikay Waldvogel, has a good lengthy article on Ann Orr. Anne Copeland, AQS Cert. Appraiser, quilt historian and quilt restoration person

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 10:35:45 -0800 From: Anne Copeland <anneappraisrworldnet.att.net>

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Dear Audry,

Don't let the size of the town fool you re: quilt appraisals. We need more appraisers. There are a million ways to get more business, such as sending your card, etc. to local insurance agents, doing quilt appraisal fair days at antique malls, and generally educating the public. I am an AQS certified quilt appraiser, quilt historian and quilt restoration person, and I have had some of my best business in what I consider to be two-horse towns, and some of the worst in large metropolitan areas. Go figure! Anyway, I will encourage you if you are interested in appraising to go for it. We need more good appraisers, and appraisers are another way that quilts get documented and quilt research and information is exchanged. I am assuming you can travel, so you are not limited to staying just within your own town. Also, as appraisers, we have no set "territories," and many appraisers perform quilt appraisals all over the United States. I have performed quilt appraisals in many states and all over California, so don't let geographic boundaries, or the idea that there is no work out there stop you. You cannot make a living at it, but you will have a good supplemental income, and you will learn and see many things that would not otherwise be accessible to you.

If I can be of further help, I will be relocated in Texas in about a week and a half. I lived in Arizona for many years, so I know your area well.

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 13:22:36 -0500 (EST) From: JOCELYNMdelphi.com

On 8-NOV-1997 15:19:55.9 qrs said to JOCELYNM > Ok, can anyone fill in the blanks? > Round and round the mulberry bush, > The monkey chased the weavel, > Dah dah dah dah dahdeleedah > Pop! Goes the weasel. > My husband says "he laughed so hard, he thought he had died" Kris, I learned it as 'the monkey thought twas all in fun' Jocelyn

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 10:43:11 -0800 From: Anne Copeland <anneappraisrworldnet.att.net>

RE: French bindings

Phil, good question about the bindings. I don't know for certain either, but I do know that French bindings are, and always have been common on Levi jeans. That type of seam where the seam is sewed with both wrong sides together, then turned and the seam resewed down so that you have a finished (closed) seam. I know on quilts it is a double binding that many contemporary quilters use because of its strength. I do not believe it is historical with quilts because the bindings on 30s and 40s quilts are always so worn out. Also, I have never seen it on any quilts I have examined (which runs in the thousands) until the present. Will be interested in hearing from anyone else who might have other information, but my personal observations do not indicate that it has been in use long.

Anne Copeland, AQS certified quilt appraiser, quilt historian and quilt restoration person

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:58:17 -0500 (EST)

This is Merikay Waldvogel emerging from a VERY busy month. Excuse my lurking (as opposed to participating) in the last few weeks. I feel especially bad about not responding sooner about Anne Orr, who happens to be one of the quilt stars I know ALOT about. I'll have to admit it's been fun watching how QHL'ers have shared info and done research on their own. You'll probably remember the info better now that you've done some footwork--at least that's the way it's been with me.

Back to Anne Orr . . . When Bets Ramsey and I were doing our Quilts of Tennessee state project, we had a cutoff date of 1930. We knew a little about Anne Orr, of Nashville, but not enough to write about her--and we THOUGHT (incorrectly) that she worked only in the 1930s.

When I wrote Soft Covers for Hard Times:Qltmaking and the Great Depression (1990), I decided to really dig in and find out info about Anne Champe Orr. I did ALOT of digging, but surprisingly uncovered very little in libraries, archives, etc. Her three daughters had died. I interviewed a grandson in Nashville and a granddaughter in Evanston, IL (who owned the copyright to patterns--and was the person who had contracts with Dover Publishers who put out lots of her quilt and needlework patterns in the last 20 years or so.) For a pretty good review of her life, read the chapter in Soft Covers for Hard Times.

For more info on her impact on quiltmaking, I then turned to clues in her published patterns, and I tried to compile a list of all her quilt patterns and publications. I presented a paper to American Quilt Study Group and they published my paper in the 1990 Uncoverings "The Marketing of Anne Orr's Quilts."

I found the complete run of Good Housekeeping magazines in our local university library. I also learned that she designed mostly needlework patterns for Coats and Clark in the 1910s--things like tatting, crochet, needlepoint, etc. She is MUCH better known in the embroidery world than the quilt world. I noticed that she added quilt patterns to her product line about 1932, just as the quilt revival was taking hold. She is best known with quilt patterns made of hundreds of one-inch squares of colored cloth that appear to be "digitized." But she also designed applique, pieced, and whole cloth quilt patterns. She DESIGNED them, but she did not make quilts. Her patterns were obtained through Good Housekeeping offices in New York or through the Anne Orr Studio in Nashville. Her rather palatial house was in the Vanderbilt area of Nashville. An International House of Pancakes now stands at the site of her home.

Since 1990, I've kept my eyes and ears open for more info on Anne Orr. I found that she donated a set of her pattern pamphlets to the Tennessee State Library. They have since bound it. A set of quilt photographs of quilts she sold were donated to the Nashville Room at the Nashville Public Library. They also have her obituaries, news clippings, etc.

A couple years ago the granddaughter in Evanston died leaving the grandson a lot of materials from the Anne Orr studio. I helped the grandson and his wife inventory the materials. Anne Orr had meticulously kept a list of all her copyrighted publications along with the correspondence with the Patent Office. There were also Anne Orr needlework pamphlets, family photos, etc. I learned then that she had designed artwork for a playing card company, too. Last summer, I went looking for her gravestone in a Nashville cemetery. She and her husband are buried with the Champe family at the base of a very tall obelisk.

She was once considered the "grand-dame" of Nashville. She was one of the first in Nashville to have a car and proudly drove it herself. She and her husband were both from wealthy families, but her grandson pointed out that her husband died in 1928 and during the Depression several families lived together in her Nashville mansion to save money. Nevertheless, she left some lovely antiques.

Anne Orr judged quilt contests of the 1930s--including being one of the final round judges of the 1933 Sears National Quilt Contest of the Chicago World's Fair. She keeps popping up in my ongoing research. I'm also writing a chapter about her for the Quilters Hall of Fame book, which will hopefully be out in 1999.

That's probably more than you ever wanted to know about Anne Orr. Here are the basic facts: Anne Orr (1875-1946), 82 copyrighted publications (1916-1944), wrote for Southern Woman's Magazine (1913-1918), designed for Coats & Clark in 1910s, wrote for Good Housekeeping (1921-1940), produced about 30 quilt patterns as well as kits, wrote for Better Homes & Gardens (Jan & Feb 1943 issues), in 1944 she designed patterns for the Lockport Batting Co. publication called Pattern Book--Anne Orr Quilts Book 50 (1944). She was inducted into the Quilters Hall of Fame in 1980.

To read more about Anne Orr, look for: Anne Orr Patchwork by Jean Dubois (1979) Quilters Newsletter Magazine May 1977 pg 12-16 QNM Nov-Dec 1987 pg 48-49.

There are many other references to Anne Orr qlts in QNM and other quilt magazines as well as the state quilt projects. I still don't feel her quilt career and impact has been completely researched. Several quiltmakers and collectors have a special interest in Anne Orr's quilts patterns. Keep your eyes open for pamphlets, patterns, and kits. Because she wrote for GHK for such a long time, her name and patterns were well-known throughout the nation.

Hope you enjoyed this history lesson. --Merikay Waldvogel, Knoxville, Tennessee

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:16:18 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Cross <mbcquiltweb-ster.com>

One response to Nancy Schott's question of what should I do with a family heirloom quilt is the suggestion I give to people when they ask the same question. Get as much history gathered together as possible including photos, genealogical background, maps, letters, anything that relates to that person and their life. Then, select a time of year that connects you the owner to the quilt maker - her birthday date, death, special event, whatever, and create a celebration for that person in your life. Kind of like celebrating a holiday. Get the quilt out and display for a period of time. Then, put it lovingly away in an Treasure Heirloom Kit that I have developed with Light Impressions. The kit #9201 is available mail order from them at(800)828-6216. Enjoy, Mary

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:16:44 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Cross <mbcquiltweb-ster.com>

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:17:15 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Cross <mbcquiltweb-ster.com>

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:16:57 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Cross <mbcquiltweb-ster.com>

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:16:30 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Cross <mbcquiltweb-ster.com>

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:25:57 -0500 (EST) From: CToczekaol.com

To Pat Lyons and anyone else who caught my typo about the Patricia SMITH collection of Calico and Chintz, not Pat COX, as I wrote:

Thanks for correcting me...after I sent the note I was halfway afraid I had done that, but then forgot to check it in the LIST the next day. It was a subconscious error on my part; I was recently back from the Houston Festival with vivid memories of the Pat COX collection on exhibit there, which did showcase a particularly beautiful, early chintz quilt.

Sorry for the goof,

Carla in now wintery Lubbock

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 97 19:53:41 PST From: John & Cinda Cawley <cawleyepix.net>

Quilts of Provence is a lovely book. Languedoc is not a strictly defined geographic area altho Provence is its center. It refers to that part of France where, in the Middle Ages, "oc," from the Latin "hic, haec, hoc" rather than "oui" was used to signify yes. John & Cinda Cawley E-mail: cawleyepix.net Date: 11/9/97 Time: 7:53:41 PM

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 19:16:59 -0800 From: Sharon Harleman Tandy <harlemanmicron.net>

Dear all QHLers, I'm pretty sure that jeans (Levis) have _flat fell_ seams; in delicate textiles one uses French _seams_, and that the bias bindings were not available until after 1925. This last is from my notes from QRS, Omaha, Barbara Brackman, Fabric Camp, Tuesday, September 1997. Sharon, Quilts & Answers, Boise, Idaho.

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 21:11:56 -0500 From: "Miklos B. Lukacs" <mlukacswebbernet.net>

How about this-

All around the cobbler's bench The monkey chased the weasel The monkey thought twas all in fun POP goes the weasel.

A penny for a spool of thread A penny for a needle That's the way the money goes POP goes the weasel.

We all learn different words. Again pointing up the diversity and therefore the interest of this page. Have a good night all Connie L.

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 18:22:04 -0800 From: Anne Copeland <anneappraisrworldnet.att.net>

Thank heavens for your good answer re: giving quilts to a museum. I am Anne Copeland, AQS cert. quilt appraiser. I have performed appraisals at a couple of museums that were not dedicated quilt museums, and have been apalled at the condition of the quilts and the methods of storage, etc. In one, the "acid-free" paper had been left unchanged for so long, it had actually caused heavy foxing. I think many times, the quilts are better off in the hands of well-known collectors. They take absolute care of the quilts, and have a love of them that will help their survival. Unfortunately, in museums that are not dedicated museums for quilts, there is often not adequate money for their care, and the personnel involved with their care often do not have sufficient training to do a decent job. That is not a put-down. Many of those people are doing the best they can under the circumstances, but it is simply not enough. This is an area where guilds need to be more proactive. I have seen my local guilds give oodles of money to all sorts of unrelated charities, but balk when I requested that they donate money and/or materials to help preserve the quilts. Where are the priorities? We still need to continue to educate, educate, educate. Anne Copeland

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 19:25:53 -0800 From: Anne Copeland <anneappraisrworldnet.att.net>

Dear Angie and all,

Frequently such places as Sam's and other discount stores are great places to pick up special quilt history books and quilt books in gneral. They buy the overbuys or excess books from inventory, and sometimes the bookstores that originally purchased them are remaindering them as they can't sell them, hard as that is to believe. I used to work with publishers, and have seen that happen many times. Also, check your thrift stores--all of them. I once picked up a $75 quilt book for $5 at the thrift store. Rare, but it can happen. Anne Copeland

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:08:39, -0500 From: LVQG24Aprodigy.com ( ELIZABETH K DONALDSON)

Thanks Ann, As a new museum employee I can vouch for Ann's point of view on Musuems. At the Michigan State University Museum we are doing a great job, but can only care for so many quilts. We can't accept every item that is offered, because we take our job seriously and want to insure the best care for the textiles we accept. We encourage quilters to document their quilts through the Michigan Quilt Project. This way we can help quilters research quilts that have a Michigan connection, and maybe these quilts can be loaned to us or another Museum for specific shows. This way your quilt can be seen and you can still care for it yourself. I'm very interested in the Treasure Heirloom Kit. We get a lot of requests from non quilters who have family quilts and want to know how to store them and this could be a great answer for us (thanks Mary).

Beth Donaldson Quilt Collections Assistant Michigan State University Museum

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:51:28 -0500 From: Jean & Steve Loken <sjlokencompuserve.com> To: Qiultnet <QHLcuenet.com> Subject: QHL: Patricia Cox Message-ID: <199711101151_MC2-27A0-EC4Acompuserve.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline

Patricia Cox lives in Edina, MN. She is a quilt designer of lovely applique patterns, including Baltimore-style blocks, whole cloth patterns, etc. S= he also has an antique quilt collection and speaks on that subject. I hesitate to violate her privacy by writing too much, but she also derives some income from her quilt activities, and might appreciate the publicity. If=

you wish to contact her, please e-mail me privately and I will forward your requests to her. She is of course available for classes and lectures, bu= t I don't act as her agent, am only an acquaintance. TIA

Jean in MN (my daughter's wedding was everything I hoped it would be, her signature quilt, replicating the Lucy Blowers quilt in "Remember Me",=

p. 50, a huge hit. It may be posted on their web page - called "Wed Page= " URL available [contact me again] Please pardon the proud mother's babbling, but it IS somewhat quilt history related.)

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 12:56:07 -0500 From: Alan <quiltfixbellsouth.net> To: QHLcuenet.com Subject: QHL: Nursery rhymes Message-ID: <34635637.27bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Okay, y'all - I didn't accept the title of QHL list policeman, so stop apologizing to me!

Along the line of historical basis for nursery rhymes, Ring around the Rosy was mentioned - some details......

It was about bubonic plague. "Ring around the rosy" refers to the rosy cheeks common to those afflicted (I also think the ring part describes another visual symptom, but I'm not up on the epidemiology of plague! <G>). "Pockets full of poseys" refers to the flowers, etc., carried by the well to offset the odor of the rotting bodies. "Ashes, ashes" refers to the fact the bodies were cremated, "We all fall down" meant that everyone who caught it died.

Lovely little ditty, huh?

Oh, I picked this up off of James Burke's "Connections". This kind of history is interesting, and sometimes - as in Pop Goes the Weasel - is of import to your quilts.

I had my 1852 signature quilt appraised this weekend, and if nothing else, I am learning something about Civil War history. The surname of one of the two signatures is Marion. Fanny was from Charleston (the assumption here is South Carolina, since Charleston WV was still called Charles Town in 1852). There is a Civil War figure named Frances "Swamp Fox" Marion, who was also from Charleston. My mission now is to find out if there is some sort of familial connection between Fanny and the Swamp Fox. I'm not holding my breath, but the idea is neat. And more importantly, the quilt is to die for!

If dear ol' Teddy hadn't been up on her Civil War history, this possible thread may have passed me right by!

History has all sorts of weird connections - we can't ignore them.

Alan

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:14:31 0400 From: Xenia Cord <xecordnetusa1.net> To: QHLcuenet.com Subject: QHL: Ring Around the Rosy Message-ID: <3466DE87.729netusa1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hi, all - a slightly different interpretation of the old children's ring game:

Ring around the rosy (ring, a ring o'rosy) = refers to the reddish blush of a rash that was the first sign of plague, in rings

Pocket full of posy = herbs carried to ward off the illness

Ashes, ashes = once was a-choo, a-choo, referring to sneezing that was also a symptom of advancing disease

All fall down = onset of the disease was sudden, and rash, chills, sneezing and collapse were almost instantaneous (as was death, usually)

Xenia - who was a university folklore instructor before quilts took over

And now - who was Humpty-Dumpty?

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:56:12 -0500 (EST) From: Baglady111aol.com To: QHLcuenet.com Subject: QHL: Fwd: ANNE ORR Message-ID: <971110155609_2026102030mrin46.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-11-10 14:16:37 EST, aqsgjuno.com writes:

<< Date: 97-11-10 14:16:37 EST From: aqsgjuno.com (American Quilt Study Group) To: Baglady111AOL.COM

Yes--Merikay Waldvogel, "Ann Orr's Quilts," Uncoverings 1990. Shall we send it to you? Cheers, Julia >>

for those looking for info on ANN ORR..Jane of THE FEEDSACK CLUB --------------------- Forwarded message: From: aqsgjuno.com (American Quilt Study Group) To: Baglady111AOL.COM Date: 97-11-10 14:16:37 EST

Yes--Merikay Waldvogel, "Ann Orr's Quilts," Uncoverings 1990. Shall we send it to you? Cheers, Julia

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:35:27 -0500 (EST) From: Tmauvlusaol.com To: QuiltAliveaol.com, qhlcuenet.com Subject: Re: QHL: Anne Orr Message-ID: <971110173127_305745652mrin86.mail.aol.com>

It so wonderful to have you back, Merikay. Every time someone mentioned Anne Orr, I wanted to respond with your screen address, but did not want to invade privacy. I am glad the Wise One has spoken!! And, believe me, it is NOT more than everyone ever wanted to know. The folks on this list want to know everything, don't you all?

Also, thank you Alan for the flattering words re: the Swamp Fox. You make me look good! Teddy Pruett

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:21:24 -0500 (EST) From: KirkCollaol.com

We carry wool batts which we have custom made for us at a Minnesota mill. They are very thin, not like wool comforters which the mill usually makes. We also have black wool batts from sheep raised in upper New York state. We have the sheep farmer keep the black wool separate at the shearing and then have it batted in queen size. We only get six black wool batts per year.

All the advantages of wool have been listed by others. Lovely to work with, warm and breathes. The bearding can be minimized by quilting with Majestic 88 needles, which are nickel plated and very slick. The needle doesn't catch on the wool fibers.

If you are interested in more information send an e-mail.

Nancy Kirk The Kirk Collection KirkCollaol.com http://www.auntie.com/kirk

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:38:09 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Cross <mbcquiltweb-ster.com> To: QHLcuenet.com Subject: QHL: Re -QHL:What should I do? Message-Id: <m0xV3P5-0004udCcanby.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:38:55 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Cross <mbcquiltweb-ster.com>

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:39:09 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Cross <mbcquiltweb-ster.com>

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:44:46 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Cross <mbcquiltweb-ster.com> To: QHLcuenet.com Subject: QHL: Re -QHL:What should I do? Message-Id: <m0xV3VY-0004udCcanby.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:49:18 -0500 From: Beth Holland <c5t3k4mhcoastalnet.com> To: QuiltFixeraol.com CC: QHLcuenet.com Subject: Re: QHL: my favorite quilt Message-ID: <34679D7E.186E5931coastalnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I know this is a bit late, but my favorite quilt is a twin size Irish Chain variation which the maker used clothes of her 18th month old baby who died in 1893. Scraps of the child's clothes are the chain and puchased red calico is the set. She filled in the jagged edges of the chain so the quilt looks like X's and diamonds. It is thin and not very much used, but some of the baby's clothes are deteriorating. I bought it when my own baby was 6 months old and it was a very long time before I could even look at the quilt without getting shivers. I bought some vintage fabric to restore it, but I'm still not sure I should.

QuiltFixeraol.com wrote:

> My favorite quilt is a baby quilt that Barbara Brackman believes is about > 1840. It is the light double pink in the sashing and many chocolate brown > prints in the bow ties. I just wonder if this quilt was made for a baby > that died as the quilt is in such good condition and looks as though is was > carefuly put away and not brought out for a long, long time. If only it > could talk. At least, it speaks to me and I feel very drawn to it. It is > beautifuly, and carefuly made. Do any of you have a quilt that speaks to > you? If so, let us hear about it. > > Toni > QuiltFixeraol.com > >From beautiful Spring Lakes, where the California Coastal Autumn is upon us > in all it's glory.

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:07:33 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Cross <mbcquiltweb-ster.com> To: QHLcuenet.com Subject: QHL: Re -QHL:Nancy's heirloom quilt Message-Id: <m0xV3rV-0004ujCcanby.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

One response to Nancy Schott's question of what should I do with a family heirloom quilt is the suggestion I give to people when they ask the same question. Get as much history gathered together as possible including photos, genealogical background, maps, letters, anything that relates to that person and their life. Then, select a time of year that connects you the owner to the quilt maker - her birthday date, death, special event, whatever, and create a celebration for that person in your life. Kind of like celebrating a holiday. Get the quilt out and display for a period of time. Then, put it lovingly away in an Treasure Heirloom Kit that I have developed with Light Impressions. The kit includes my guidelines for documenting, preserving, and displaying the quilt along with their appropriate archival materials. The kit #9201 is available mail order from them at(800)828-6216. Enjoy, Mary

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:56:02 0400 From: Xenia Cord <xecordnetusa1.net>

Help! I feel like the sorcerer's apprentice! I keep deleting Mary Cross's reply to What Should I Do, now that I've read it, and every time I do, there is another one! There have been 11 copies so far today - so the question is, what should *I* do? Anyone else having this problem?

Xenia

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:12:32 -0500 From: Jean Ann Eitel <quiltmagmindspring.com>

Hi all, i have heard this same explanation of the children's nursery rhyme.. it is the explanation you hear in England too.....

Now, do you all know what a well dressing is? and why they have them every year in Derbyshire?

Jean Ann....

>Hi, all - a slightly different interpretation of the old children's ring >game: > >Ring around the rosy (ring, a ring o'rosy) = refers to the reddish >blush of a rash that was the first sign of plague, in rings > >Pocket full of posy = herbs carried to ward off the illness > >Ashes, ashes = once was a-choo, a-choo, referring to sneezing that was >also a symptom of advancing disease > >All fall down = onset of the disease was sudden, and rash, chills, >sneezing and collapse were almost instantaneous (as was death, usually) > >Xenia - who was a university folklore instructor before quilts took over > >And now - who was Humpty-Dumpty?

Jean Ann Eitel, Editor QUILT Magazine, Harris Publications Inc, NY, NY http://www.quiltmag.com My very own web site: http://www.mindspring.com/~quiltmag/quilttalk/qm.html #quilttalk IRC channel, swaps, secret pals and more! http://www.quilttalk.com ------------------------------

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:51:43 -0500 (EST) From: JOCELYNMdelphi.com

On 10-NOV-1997 13:06:57.1 quiltfix said to JOCELYNM > Along the line of historical basis for nursery rhymes, Ring around the > Rosy was mentioned - some details...... > It was about bubonic plague. "Ring around the rosy" refers to the rosy > cheeks common to those afflicted (I also think the ring part describes > another visual symptom, but I'm not up on the epidemiology of plague! > <G>). "Pockets full of poseys" refers to the flowers, etc., carried >by the well to offset the odor of the rotting bodies. "Ashes, ashes" > refers to the fact the bodies were cremated, "We all fall down" meant > that everyone who caught it died. > Lovely little ditty, huh? Alan, Some other trivia facts.... The ring-o-ring-of-roses could also refer to vaguely circular red lesions on the skin. Ashes, Ashes, could also be from 'achoo! achoo!' because the most virulent form of the plague, pneumonic, is spread by sneezing. 'Bubonic' plague is the same disease, but instead of infecting the lungs, it infects the lymph glands, causing them to swell visibly; the swellings were called 'buboes'. The poseys could also be herbal cures. Plague is still around...especially in the SW United States. Those cute l'il chipmunks carry fleas..... so it's unwise for people to bring dogs on vacation to the West, since Rover may get flea-infested, and on the drive home in a closed car, his fleas may jump off on his family....and when you go into the doctor in New Jersey, 'plague' just doesn't jump right into his head as a potential diagnosis. Plague is highly treatable now, but the people who die of it tend to be treated in distant hospitals; like with Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, the local docs are always on the alert for it, and make the diagnosis and start the right treatment faster. More than you, or anyone, wanted to know about the plague, huh? <G> Jocelyn

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:25:26 -0800 (PST) From: Mary Cross <mbcquiltweb-ster.com> To: QHLcuenet.com Subject: QHL: Re: QHL-Digest Digest V97 #302 Message-Id: <m0xV7sq-0004ujCcanby.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Sorry, I must apologize for the mulitple messages I must have sent to the Digest #302. I'm still getting acquainted with this system. I thought I stopped the message from being sent, only to discover it appeared about five times over. Meanwhile, I would add to the other responds to this question about donating to a museum. I address this concern in the appendix of Treasures in the Trunk. Another key question is to ask for the mission statement of the museum that is under consideration. This gives information about the era and geographic area as well as the goals of that particular organization. Then, if the quilt doesn't fit with the statement, consider another place. Also, generally today, it is considered most inappropriate to dispose of an acquistion once it has been received. Museums and historical societies with high standards of ethics would never consider selling an item without careful consideration and thorough investigation as to the repercussions. Corporate donors and big contributors mean too much to the budget's bottom line to risk bad press about collection management. Mary

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 19:05:01 -0600 From: Laura Hobby Syler <texas_quilt.coairmail.net>

Xenia Cord wrote: > > Help! I feel like the sorcerer's apprentice! I keep deleting Mary > Cross's reply to What Should I Do, now that I've read it, and every time > I do, there is another one! There have been 11 copies so far today - so > the question is, what should *I* do? Anyone else having this problem? > > Xenia

Xenia: I too have had 11 copies of Mary's message....

Mary? What's up with your server? You might check with them and see what's up.

Laura In North Texas where it's finally 32 this morning and maybe the pollen count will drop and the allergies will go away....for a couple of months!

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 05:48:22 -0800 From: Deb Roby <debrobyearthlink.net> (by way of Quilting Heritage ListServ <qrsmail.albany.net>) To: QHLcuenet.com Subject: QHL: re: nursery rhymes Message-Id: <2.2.16.19971111083837.2e3f6a9amail.albany.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Who was humpty-dumpty?

I believe he was King Richard the Third. (humped back with a club foot).

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:56:23 1100 From: LiJoo <lijoovermont.starway.net.au> To: QHLcuenet.com Subject: QHL: Nursery rhymes & 2 special quilts Message-Id: <199711111356.AAA23038vermont.starway.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I was absolutely horrified to learn the actual meaning and historical basis for "Ring around the Rosy" from Alan and Xenia. I didn't know it was about the bubonic plague, and how totally graphic!! How come such an awful little ditty became such a popular nursury rhyme?

On to something else a bit more pleasant to think about...quilts! The recent talk talk about quilts and blocks with signature made me want to discuss and ask for some help with two special quilts I have. Although mine are not signed, I do have a little information about the maker.

I have two quilts which I briefly mentioned on the QHL last year, which were made by the same person. One is a grandmother's flower garden with the hexagon flowers appliqued onto a mauve background, and I was told that it is called Martha Washington's Flower Garden. And the other is an Improved Nine Patch In A Wedding Ring quilt.

Both quilts were made in the 1920s and from Tennessee, by a lady named Fannie Ellen Wilcox Michael. That was all that I knew when I bought the quilts, but Merikay Waldvogel very kindly and generously helped up find out more information about Fannie Wilcox.

In the 1930 Tennessee Census, Merikay found the following details:

Husband: Huger Michael, white, age 43, born in North Carolina 1930 residence: Niota, McMinn County, Tennessee Wife: Fannie E., age 42, born in North Carolina Son: Winferd, age 14, born in North Carolina Son: Walter, age 12, born in Virginia Daughter: Maude, age 10, born in Virginia

Other info from census: They owned their own home with no mortgage. He could read and write. Both of Huger & Fannie's parents were born in North Carolina. His occupation is listed as farmer.

In the Social Security Death Index, there was a listing for Fannie Michael.

Fannie Michael's Social Security # 434-17-9887 was issued in Louisiana Birthdate 24 October 1887 Death date November 1987 Last residence: Booneville, Prentiss County, Mississippi

If this is correct, she was 100 years old when she died.

The quilts were originally bought north of New Orleans, Louisiana--in Mississippi.

Merikay said that with her Social Security number, we might be able to find out more. And with her death date confirmed, we also might write to the local newspaper and see if her obituary (death notice) was published. However, that kind of research will take some time and she could only refer me to a professional researcher if I wanted to do it, but there is no way I can't afford to pay anyone to do somthing like that.

So I was wondering if anyone would be game enough to help me find out more about Fannie's genealogy. It would definitely be deeply appreciated.

LiJoo - Melbourne, Australia, where we just had a spring thunderstorm!

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:57:16 -0500 (EST) From: RBCochranaol.com To: harlemanmicron.net, QHLcuenet.com Subject: Re: QHL: French bindings Message-ID: <971111085715_1548371371mrin54.mail.aol.com>

In a message dated 97-11-10 10:28:52 EST, you write:

<< Dear all QHLers, I'm pretty sure that jeans (Levis) have _flat fell_ seams; in delicate textiles one uses French _seams_, and that the bias bindings were not available until after 1925. This last is from my notes from QRS, Omaha, Barbara Brackman, Fabric Camp, Tuesday, September 1997. Sharon, Quilts & Answers, Boise, Idaho. >>

According to the research of HQPNJ, bias tape seems to have been available before the 20s. In NJ Quilts, in covering what sewing supplies were manufactured in NJ, we wrote about William E. Wright who had his company in Orange, NJ, in the 20s and 30s. After 20 years as a traveling salesman for wholesale notions, Wright came to New York from Iowa in 1895 to head a wholesale notions company. Three years later he founded the Wm. E. Wright Company with his five sons and two sons-in-law. "One part of the success of Wright's new business lay in the fact that it offered bias tape and other notions that were pre-packaged rather than cut from a spool at the local stores."

While I don't know what percentage of quilts HQPNJ documented had bias bindings, commercial ones were apparently available whether "fashionable" or not.

--Rachel in NJ

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:48:10 -0500 (EST) From: JOCELYNMdelphi.com

On 10-NOV-1997 19:50:54.0 xecord said to JOCELYNM > Help! I feel like the sorcerer's apprentice! I keep deleting Mary > Cross's reply to What Should I Do, now that I've read it, and every >time I do, there is another one! There have been 11 copies so far >today - so the question is, what should *I* do? Anyone else having >this problem? Xenia, Yep. Got 2 more copies in this download..... I suspect Mary's OLR is stuck, and resending the message every time she goes online, so let's hope she knows how to get it un-stuck! <G> Jocelyn

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:59:18 -0700 From: Elizabeth Richards <elizabeth.richardsualberta.ca>

This isn't exactly quilt related but we might see Humpty Dumpty on a child's quilt. Wasn't Humpty Dumpty King John who signed the Magna Carta - and set forth common man's rights in England - at least it curtailed the power of the Crown (my history classes are decades ago!) All the kings horses and all the kings men, couldn't put Humpty Dumpty together again - I think refers to the fact that never again did the Crown have the same powers. (I would happily be corrected if I err.) - ---------------------------- Elizabeth A. Richards, M. S., PHEc. Professor, Department of Human Ecology University of Alberta 301 Printing Services Edmonton, Alberta Canada T6G 2N1 phone: 403 - 492-2475 fax: 403-492.4111 ------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 13:33:39 -0700 From: Elizabeth Richards <elizabeth.richardsualberta.ca> To: QHL-Digestcue.com Subject: Donating to Museums Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19971111203339.29f763cepop.srv.ualberta.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I have been very interested in the discussion about donating to museums and I agree with much of what has been said. Sometimes museums do not have the resources to look after textiles properly. Also, sometimes when people donate to small musuems (or large museums) they expect that their item will immediately be put into an important display. This of course seldom happens.

One type of museum that is different than local history museums or urban/state history museums is a study collection at a university. Typically a study collections looks for excellent examples of different types of quilts - and will collect those of interest historically (when there is a lot of history known about the maker/quilt). In my experience a study collection curator/accessions committee won't take something in just to help take care of it. Also we refuse items in really poor condition because it is so hard to care for them. An exception is make with special pieces, e.g. silk crazy quilts. Sometimes we take in very fragile 19c quilts to have a record of the fabrics in them, even though the quilt may be in very poor condition. A study collection isn't usually as concerned with only having thing from a given area - rather we look for a broad range of textiles.

Another interesting fact about study collections is that the artifacts get studied/used much more often than in say a provincial museum. We have students who are using artifacst as primary resources so we get wonderful research done with our artifacts. We have a beautiful collection of batiks from 1900 to 1930 that the Art Institute of Chicago wanted but the owner sold them to us (that was when we had a matching grants program from the government) because they would not be stuck away in storage with hundreds of other artifacts. They have been used as a basis for a wonderful Indonesian collectio as well as by design students and cultural history students.

(Can you tell I like my job!!!!)

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:39:58 -0500 (EST) From: EllynLKaol.com

In a message dated 97-11-11 14:27:07 EST, Alan wrote:

<< There is a Civil War figure named Frances "Swamp Fox" Marion, who was also from Charleston. >>

Alan, Francis Marion, the Swamp Fox, was a Revolutionary War general, sort of a hide-in-the-woods-and-strike guerilla leader. The title "The Swamp Fox" referred to the fact that he and his band would hide in swamps and other undesirable places to avoid capture by the British or Tory legions under Tarleton.

He was also memorialized in a Disney TV thing in the 1950's, "The Swamp Fox."

Lauri Klobas

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:40:52 -0800 From: Sharon Harleman Tandy <harlemanmicron.net> To: QHLcuenet.com Subject: QHL: LONG POST: Mug Shots Message-ID: <34690924.416Fmicron.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

For all QHLers who wish to own a set of twenty-six or -seven snapshots of those who attended QRS /or AQSG, they are here at last! The cost will be $10.00 per set $1.00 for original film/developing padded mailers postage. Would you settle for $15.00 each set? I will also label them with names and e-mail addresses. What a gallery they make!

This is the list of the ones I "caught" and sorry for those I missed; next time? Alan Kelchner, quiltfixbellsouth.net Alice Cruz, akcruzix.netcom.com Ann Bodle Nash, annbowcio.net Catherine Kypta, vgercwnet.com Cathy Grafton, (may not have joined yet) Deborah Roberts, QuiltLineaol.com Donna Purdom, (joined QHL yet?) Dorothy Stish, stish001maroon.tc.umn.edu Elizabeth A. Richards, elizabeth.richardsualberta.ca Ellen ___________?, (I have no name or e-mail, she came late to QRS and had no name tag and is not on roster, but she's wearing a denim vest with a white T-shirt, has really short dark blonde hair, and a silver pin on vest and wears glasses) Jill Sutton Filo, Quiltinjilaol.com Joan Stevens, AMDOODAHaol.com Joanna Evans, joeevansindiana.edu Julie Zgliniec, JZgliniecaol.com Laura Hobby Syler, texas_quilt.coairmail.net Karen Erlandson, erlandcooke.net Lynn Gorges, Palamporeaol.com Nancy Cameron Armstrong, narmstribm.net Nancy Evans, nevansnebnet.net Nancy Hornback, (no e-mail, is she QHL?) Pauline Wolff, pjwqlccomputers.com Sara Dillow, sdillowteknetwork.com Teddy Pruitt, Tmauvlusaol.com Toni Baumguard, quiltfixeraol.com Xenia Cord, xecordnetusa1.net

Whew! Do please remember to e-me privately if you wish to order a set; pre-paid, if you will, so that I can pay for the reprints. My snail is: Sharon Harleman Tandy/ 11602 Reutzel Drive/ Boise, Idaho 83709-4405. Now, those of you who were at QRS, do you remember Roberta Van Maanen, our very own Ozzie? If you wish, I will include a print of her picture also.

Any questions? E-me privately, for Alan's sake (:D [we love ya', Alan.] Sharon, Quilts & Answers, Boise, Idaho.

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:33:26 -0500 (EST) From: JOCELYNMdelphi.com

On 11-NOV-1997 08:41:11.2 debroby said to JOCELYNM > Who was humpty-dumpty? > I believe he was King Richard the Third. (humped back with a club > foot).

Deb, The real Richard III probably wasn't physically deformed. In the description of his coronation, where he stripped off his doublet for the annointing, he is described as being an attractive man. Surely if all he were wearing was a linen shirt, a humpback would've been obvious. The physical deformities seem to have been suggested by Shakespeare, who, after all, was writing his plays for the royal family who were Richard's enemies.... And Macbeth doesn't get a fair shake, for the same reason. He actually killed Duncan in battle..... Jocelyn

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 17:06:00 PST From: "Ryba, Nancy" <NrybaMED1.MEDSCH.ucla.edu> To: QHL <QHLcuenet.com> Subject: QHL: Nursery Rhymes Message-ID: <346901A5med1.medsch.ucla.edu>

Granted, this is not quilt related, but since I have been following the mail about nursery rhymes, I looked up Humpty Dumpty on the Internet:

According to Robert Jones (Fun_People Archive - 25 Oct. - Humpty Dumpty & Gutenberg:

"Humpty Dumpty is an egg... right? Not so..." According to the Manchester Guardian Weekly: "It turns out that Humpty Dumpty was one of a pair of siege towers built over 300 years ago. Siege towers were wheeled up to whatever castle or religious cult you happened to be besieging at the time and your soldiers would then jump over the walls etc. It was probably as tall as a house, made of wood, had wheels and was probably covered in hides. The tricky thing with siege towers was getting them in place -- being heavy, loaded with troops and inevitably involved going over rough ground. Humpty Dumpty was built during the English Civil War by the Royalists ... "all the King's horses and all the King's men" ... and it had a little operational difficulty ... falling and being damaged beyond repair."

In the same page, Craig Good responded: "If I recall correctly from my reading of the "The Real Personages Behind Mother Goose" (published around 1926) many years ago, Humpty Dumpty was King Richard of "My Kingdom for a horse!" fame. The verse describes his fall in battle and the inability of his army to right things. In the days before mass media, nursery rhymes were political satire. For example, Little Miss Muffet was Mary, Queen of Scots and the spider was John Knox. In "Hey diddle, diddle, the cat and the fiddle" the feline character was Queen Elizabeth, who was wont to hold dances at the palace. Interestingly, "The Spoon" was the real title of the girl who was the queen's food taster, and "The Dish" was the man in charge of the royal dinnerware. Elizabeth's plate minder eloped with her food taster, so in a very literal sense the Dish ran away with the Spoon."

Interesting bits of history...

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:24:00 -0500 (EST) From: aol.com

Jean Ann -

Well dressing is a custom in England whereby springs or wells, usually associated with a saint, are decked with flowers, canopies, and so on. It originated in the Middle Ages, when certain wells were reputed to have healing powers due to St. Soandso bathing/drinking from them, and is the rough English equivalent of the southern European custom of dressing saints' statues on holy days.

As for "Ring Around the Rosy" - I hate to disillusion everyone, and I *never* thought I'd contradict James Burke (I adored "Connections"). But the earliest known version of that nursery rhyme is *19th century*, according to the Oxford Book of Nursery Rhymes, and the refrain was originally "Hush, hush, hush! We all fall down." It has nothing to do with the Black Plague. Sorry :(

Karen Evans Easthampton, Mass ------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:13:51 -0500 From: "Phyllis Twigg" <ptwiggradix.net>

I have been reading THREADS OF HISTORY:AMERICANA RECORDED ON CLOTH 1775 = TO THE PRESENT (Smithsonian,1979) with great interest. The book covers = textiles which in any way are related to American history, including = politics. Featured are kerchiefs, bandanas, quilts, yard goods, flag = banners,tablecloths, tapestries, and" broadsides". What is a broadside ? = I am unfamiliar with that term and am hoping someone on the list can = enlighten me. Thanks, Phyllis=20

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:30:05 -0500 From: "bonniebanks" <BONNIEBANKSprodigy.net>

Hi All, In less than two weeks I will be going to Souteast Asia for a three week tour of the area. It is my prize for being married 35 years (one of them, anyway) and our anniversary present to each other. I would like to know anything you can share about seeing textiles, quilts, fabrics while I am there. We will be in Hong Kong, Singapore, Koala Lampur, Ho Chi Minh City, Canton, Bankok, -- just short stops at many places. Please post ideas to me at WGKF27Aprodigy.com. This is private because I don't know if anyone else is interested otherwise the world could know. I really would appreciate suggestions of what to see, do, buy.

Thanks,

Bonnie in Miami loving the nursery rhyme subject.

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:26:37 -0800 From: The Waites <swredsedona.net>

In January I will be spending some time in Hawaii on 3 different islands (Oahu, Kauai and Hawaii) and would like some input from QHLers on where I can see some antique quilts or if there are any quilt events happening there that I could attend.

What I have so far:

Mission Houses Museum in Honolulu

Mauna Kea Hotel in North Kona, Big Island of Hawaii used to have a beautiful collection of Hawaiian quilts as well as artifacts but since they've remodeled the hotel, are they still there?

Hulihee Palace in Kona, Big Island may have some nice old quilts

Nice quilting/local crafts shop in Volcano Village, Hawaii, called Kilauea Creations. Lots of great Hawaiian fabrics and patterns.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. You can e-mail me privately.

Audrey Waite in Sedona, AZ (awquiltrsedona.net)

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:15:26 -0800 From: Sue <erroofwcoil.com> (by way of Quilting Heritage ListServ <qrsmail.albany.net>)

Hi All, I have a copy of AGQ that I paid $25 for at Walden Books several years ago. I hadn't looked at it for a while and decided to leaf throught it last night. Plate 37 is a "Masonic Ribbon Pieced and Embroidered Quilt c. 1890. In the summer issue of "Quilt Restoration" Karen Marie Ellsworth asked about KT silk ribbons and this is an outstanding one. My Pastor (a member of nearly every fraternal organizations) said a Pilgrimage was an annual conference and the "breast ribbons" were supplied by your chapter. He said everyone attending a conference would have worn one of these ribbons as identification.

Another great book is "Treasury of American Quilts" by Cyril I. Nelson & Carter Houck. While I was leafing through this one I found two pictures of log cabins with "Black" centers. On page 62 is a Streak 'o Lightning c.1910 in dark red and green, very Amish looking and made in PA. On page 91 is a Barn Raising in silk and velvet c. 1890, center and half of the block is black. This book originally priced at $35. was purchased for $12.98.

"Folk Quilts and How to Recreate Them" by Audrey & Douglas Wiss has a black center Log Cabin on page 114. Silk made in NJ c.1870.

The next book "The American Quilt Story, The How-to and Heritage of a Craft Tradition" by Susan Jenkins & Linda Seward is one third history, one third pictures and one third patterns. On page 190 is a photo of a Carpenter's Square Quilt. Two years ago I made this quilt for my Dad the carpenter. It turned out great, but the cutting instructions for the borders are all off by 1/2 inch. Not a big deal unless you cut your borders first, which I did, and have to go back and buy another yard of the "right" solid red material four weeks later. It is a good book and was purchased off the discount table for $10.

FYI I learned both verses of PoP goes....(mulberry bush)...to sing along with the music of a jack-in-the-box (a toy from the early 50's). At the end of the second verse the clown would pop out.

Sue in cold, with light snow, NW Ohio

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:48:56 0400 From: Xenia Cord <xecordnetusa1.net>

Hi, Phillis and QHLers: Collins' book Threads of History, is indeed a great resource. Too bad it is out of print.

A broadside is a printed one page leaflet or flyer, often political, sometimes in verse. It takes its name from printing tradition, referring to sizes of paper rather than the matter printed thereon. A broadsheet or broadside, folded in 4 equal sections, yielded quarto sheets or pages. In folk tradition, a broadside was a printed ballad dealing with topical situations in traditional form.

Xenia

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:06:55 0400 From: Xenia Cord <xecordnetusa1.net>

Dear Audrey:

Lucky you! There used to be a collection of quilts called the Wilcox quilts on Kauai, at Grove Farm. They are both Hawaiian and anglo. The Baldwin Home museum at Lahaina, Maui, had some anglo quilts on the beds, and a few Hawaiian. On Oahu, see the Queen Emma Summer palace, operated by the Daughters of Hawai'i, the Mission House Museum, the Honolulu Academy of Arts, and most importantly, the Bernice Pauahi Bishop Museum.

Xenia

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:42:40, -0500 From: LVQG24Aprodigy.com ( ELIZABETH K DONALDSON)

WOW! A big thanks to Alan. I can't believe how interesting the list has become. Two reasons I can see: Alan's slightly cranky post has gotten us off our delete keys and onto the entire keyboard and now that all the autumnal conferences are over some of our most knowledgeable members have time to share again. Thanks to all! Beth Donaldson

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:40:06 -0500 (EST) From: Tmauvlusaol.com To: EllynLKaol.com, QHLcuenet.com Subject: Re: QHL: The Swamp Fox Message-ID: <971112094005_-1340609573mrin45.mail.aol.com>

Hi, All - In order that my face not be too red, nor my reputation compromised, I must let you know the following. As Alan and I uncovered the Marion signatures, I noted that "Somewhere in the depths of memory there is a folk hero named Francis Marion - the Swamp Fox - but I can't remember if it was the Revolutionary War or the Civil War.". It was a bystander who insisted that it was the Civil War. There. Am I out of trouble with the quilt authority history police??? Teddy Pruett

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:52:36 -0800 (PST) From: Jackie Joy <jjoymed.unr.edu> To: Quilting Heritage ListServ <qrsmail.albany.net> cc: QHLcuenet.com Subject: Re: QHL: OT: Nursery Rhymes Message-ID: <Pine.PCW.3.93.971112084640.9862A-100000jjoy.med.unr.edu> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

On Sun, 9 Nov 1997, Quilting Heritage ListServ wrote:

> Does any one else have any historical stories? > > Kris

Packed away somewhere, I have a copy of "The Annotated Mother Goose." It was full of such stories which were fascinating. It is about 30 years old, but somewhere there must be another copy.

As for the weasel, this is what I remember: (provenance: Iowa of the 1940's)

All around the carpenter's bench, The monkey chased the weasel. The weasel stopped to smoke a cigar; Pop goes the weasel.

and (sung with a cockney accent)

'Alf a pound of tuppenny rice, 'Alf a pound of treacle, Mix it up and make it nice, Pop goes the weasel.

Jackie Joy Reno, Nevada jjoymed.unr.edu

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:28:22 -0500 From: Pat <patmczola.trend1.com>

To Alan and Teddy: Delurking here to discuss the Civil War quilt and the Swamp Fox. If my memory (fed by the Walt Disney show on Francis Marion an embarrassing number of years ago) serves me correctly, the Swamp Fox was a Revolutionary War patriot whose claim to fame was harrassing the British redcoats.

Good luck with further quilt dating, Pat Mc in Bucks County, PA

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:45:08 -0500 (EST) From: Quilt97aol.com

Hi Debbie,

I have checked out the following book through interlibrary loan: How to Make Upside-down Dolls, by John Coyne and Jerry Miller. The books gives a brief history of the origin of these dolls and includes patterns for ten dolls, including Cindarella, Little Boy Blue, Little Red Riding Hood, Goldilocks, Mother Hubbard, Little MIss Muffet and others. Publisher Bobbs-Merrill, ISBN 0-672-52157-1.

Thanks for the information about the other book - I'll see if I can find it also.

EKarenbeth

<< I have patterns for the Red Riding Hood/Wicked Wolf doll and Waking/Sleeping dolls. I believe I found them in an old Sunset book I checked out of the library - I think it is called something like Soft Toys and Dolls. >>

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:54:45 -0500 (EST) From: Sue <erroofalpha.wcoil.com>

If this is a duplicate I'm sorry I have been having trouble with my e-mail, don'tknow if it is working or not.

Hi All, I have a copy of AGQ that I paid $25 for at Walden Books several years ago. I hadn't looked at it for a while and decided to leaf throught it last night. Plate 37 is a "Masonic Ribbon Pieced and Embroidered Quilt" c. 1890. In the summer issue of "Quilt Restoration" Karen Marie Ellsworth asked about KT silk ribbons and this is an outstanding example. My Pastor (a member of nearly every fraternal organization) said a Pilgrimage was an "annual conference" and the "breast ribbons" were supplied by your chapter. He said everyone attending a conference would have worn one of these ribbons as identification.

The next book "The American Quilt Story, The How-to and Heritage of a Craft Tradition" by Susan Jenkins & Linda Seward is one third history, one third pictures and one third patterns. On page 190 is a photo of a Carpenter's Square Quilt. Two years ago I made this quilt for my Dad the carpenter. It turned out great, but the cutting instructions for the borders are all off by 1/2 inch. Not a big deal unless you cut your borders first, which I did, and have to go back and buy another yard of the "right" solid red material four weeks later. On page 98 is a paragraph about Ann Orr, and on Pg. 99 a photo of Ruby Short McKim's Iris Quilt, and a finished quilt kit called Round-up Time. The book was first published in London in 1991 then in the US in 1995. I found it on the discount table for $10.

FYI I learned both verses of PoP goes....(mulberry bush not cobblers bench)...to sing along with the music of a jack-in-the-box (a toy from the early 50's). At the end of the second verse the clown would pop out.

Sue in cold, but sunny NW Ohio

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:08:07 -0800 From: Sharon Harleman Tandy <harlemanmicron.net>

QHLers, My friend, Ruth, from Idaho Falls, ID, is visiting Williamsburg the week of December 7th. If you know of q. displays, exhibits, shows, museums in that area could you please e-me quick and short notes and I will forward them to her. I realize the Renwick and the DAR have been mentioned repeatedly, but I have no opportunity to get to that area, YET, so have never saved that information. TIA, Sharon, Quilts & Answers, Boise, Idaho.

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:29:27 -0600 From: Maury Bynum <maurybynumtextileconservators.com>

Hi All.

I will be in the Roanoke Va. area this weekend--Where is the good antiquing and quilt hunting/museums in the area??Thanks, Maury Bynum

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:57:11 -0500 From: "Phyllis Twigg" <ptwiggradix.net>

Xenia, are you saying that the "broadside" items in the Threads of = History book are printed on paper ? No cloth involved ? I was under the = impression that everything in the book had to do with "threads " of some = nature. (By the way, I am borrowing this book from the library, a good = source of out-of-orint books.) Thanks, Phyllis

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 13:43:04 -0500 From: Alan <quiltfixbellsouth.net>

Karen, how old is that book? Can't debunk without giving me all the facts! <G> If it is older than the Connections episode, maybe something came along to prove it..... Also, what about non-written versions? Before the printing press, books were awfully expensive - I can't imagine they'd have written down the meaning of nursery rhymes!

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:39:08 -0500 (EST) From: JOCELYNMdelphi.com

On 11-NOV-1997 21:29:25.8 said to JOCELYNM >But the earliest known version of that nursery rhyme is *19th >century*, according to the Oxford Book of Nursery Rhymes, and the >refrain was originally "Hush, hush, hush! We all fall down." It has >nothing to do with the Black Plague. Sorry :( Karen, A couple of points to consider: While the earliest written version may be 19th century, that doesn't mean that it might not have been around earlier. The Victorians were extremely fond of the Middle Ages, AND of 'reconstructivist history'. In other words, they niced things up. <G> Since 'hush' is nicer than 'ashes', I have to wonder if the recorded version were someone's effort to take an old folk poem, and make it more acceptable for children. We all learned it as 'ashes'....it sort of stretches the imagination that if it were a poem written in the 19th century, that the lyrics could have gotten so corrupted so fast and so universally. After all...with the pop goes the weasel rhyme, we got several versions, and we know it dates back to at least the 17th (I had heard 16th). You'd expect several versions to arise over several centuries...but not ONE version that completely supplants the original, in one century. In other words, I intend to go on believing my myth. <G> Jocelyn

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:38:56 -0500 From: Judy Smith <judyquilt.net> To: QHLcuenet.com Subject: QHL: Victorian? satin and lace quilt - Photo and ?? Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971112213856.0073ef7chis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I hope that someone on the list can help me. I received this letter today, along with six graphics files that I have uploaded to http://www.quiltart.com/crazy.html

I don't know how to answer this question regarding this crazy quilt and thought perhaps one of you would be able to help. Please send all replies to LDH312aol.com.

Thanks! --Judy Smith

>From: LDH312aol.com >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:52:38 -0500 (EST) >To: judyquilt.net >Subject: Victorian? satin and lace quilt - Photo and ?? > >Hi Judy - > > I have taken in a quilt on consignment and she thought you might be able to help me date >and value it. > >I have 5 or six jpegs that I will send you, but I will also try to describe >it here for you. >It is 8 squares wide by 8 squares long. (ie 64 squares total) Each square >measures about 8 1/2 x 8 1/2 inches. It also has a 4 inch lace border all >the way around, making it just about 6 feet square. > >Each square consists of narrow bands of concentric squares, half light colors >and half dark. The colors are arranged so that the overal effect is to form >a diamond within a diamond pattern. > >All of the fabrics used appear to be satin with maybe some taffeta. The lace >appears to be handmade. > >The back is a light, blue-green silk with red bows sewn on. It is three >panels of the silk. > >It is signed with a square on the back side that is embroidered : Made by >Mary S Baker, Boston, Mass, age 76. > >Take a look at the pictures and let me know what you think. I think it is an >extraordinary item. I will probably sell it on ebay, so anything you can >tell me will help me describe it more accurately. > >Thanks so much for your time > > >

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:01:49 -0500 (EST) From: JZgliniecaol.com

Dear Alan and All, The recent discussion of Broderie Perse caused me to look it up in one of my references:

The Dictonary of Needlework S.F.A. Caulfeild and B.C. Saward ISBN 0 907854 10 9

My copy is a facimile edition of the second edition of the book published in 1885. The first edition was in 1882. The book was originally published on London.

" Applique, Broderie Perse - A modern work, founded upon ancient and true applique, but differing from it in the nature of the material used and the labour bestowed:"

The applique technique is then described.

"in Broderie Perse the applied pieces are shaded and colored pieces of chintz or cretonne, representing flowers, foliage, birds and animals in their natural colors. These require no backing and are simply pasted upon a colored foundation and caught down with a Feather or open Buttonhole Stitch. Broderie Perse was practised 200 years ago, and then fell into disuse. It is capable of much improvement from the patterns ordinarily sold and though, by reason of its attempting to imitate round objects in nature, it can never attain an art value, still it could be made a more harmonious decoration than it is at present."

They go on to discuss the "faults " of chintz and its contrast with the background fabrics. I am not sure what they might have been looking at when they discuss the esthetics as the Broderie Perse quilts I have seen cause me to hyperventilate.

I thought this was very interesting. 200 years from 1882........well you do the math. That puts the date in Alan's original 1735 timeframe. I have never seen one or know of a published one dating that early.............

I thought the entry in the dictionary was interesting as it is the earliest ref. I have to the technique being called by that term. In general, I have had no quibbles with this source and no reason to think it is not an accurate statement of what was known at that time by these authors.

Regards, Julia

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:52:52 -0500 From: Cathy Hooley <goosetracksalbany.net>

Does anyone know the history of the Irish Chain pattern?

Thanks -

Cathy Goose Tracks Quilts - Broadalbin, NY http://www.albany.net/~gooset

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 06:16:10 -0800 From: Biz Storms & Alan Hibben <quiltsinforamp.net>

Greetings all. Seems my recent message was ill-informed. Appologies to all. Diane, thanks for the address for checking virus rumors. Have contacted IBM Canada and they are now checking. They advised me to still be extremely wary of ANYTHING that doesn't look familiar. Also, while PENPAL and JOIN THE CREW are on the list, the last virus mentioned is not. Biz from Toronto.

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:04:37 -0500 (EST) From: WLEDUaol.com To: qhlcuenet.com Subject: QHL: Francis Marion aka "Swamp Fox" Message-ID: <971113200437_-1407765299mrin41.mail.aol.com>

Found this on the web:

http://www-tradoc.army.mil/rotc/mmi.html

Marion Military Institute, the oldest military junior college in the nation, was founded in 1842. The name honors General Francis Marion, the Revolutionary War "Swamp Fox." The ROTC program was first offered at MMI in 1916 when the institute was designated as an Honor Military School with Distinction by the Department of Defense. In 1963, MMI allowed women to obtain fulltime student status during the regular school year for the first time and has remained fully coeducational since then. The U.S. Army Early Commissioning Program was established in 1964. Graduates of Marion Military Institute continue to reflect the quality of education and character building inherent in the MMI experience. Alumni are found in all walks of life - from medical professionals to government officials; from nationally known attorneys to prominent educators; from small business entrepreneurs to captains of corporate America; and from civic leaders to agricultural experts. Of our alumni who graduated within the last ten years, 64 percent have served in the military and 89 percent of these have been commissioned officers. Two hundred and ninety-nine of the alumni have attained the rank of Admiral in the Navy and Coast Guard or General in the Army, Air Force, and Marine Corps.

Winnie

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:41:56 -0500 From: Ricki Maietta <rmaiettacsrlink.net>

Theresa - regarding you 1858 quilt from Hughesville (probably PA) - I think it IS!

Hughesville, PA is about 20 miles east of Williamsport, PA AND - near Hughesville is a little town called Pensdale (lots of Quakers). There is a road there called "Narber-Fry Road" - looked at a house for sale there once (built in 1790s - maybe the house where your quilt was made!!)

This is a little TOO exciting!

Ricki in PA

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:45:54 -0500 (EST) From: aol.com To: QHLcuenet.com Subject: QHL: Nursery rhymes Message-ID: <971114074554_1725970008mrin40.mail.aol.com>

The Oxford Book of Nursery Rhymes was published sometime in the late 70's or early 80's, and it traces "Ring Around the Rosey" to (of all things) a Kate Greenaway book published in 1881. The actual rhyme bears zero resemblance to anything I've ever read about the plague, including medieval sources; I was a medieval/ Renaissance literature major in college, and accounts of the plague are either horrifying prose about corpses heaping up in the streets, stories to amuse aristocrats who fled the cities (and the rats and the fleas - see The Decameron by Boccacio), or poems like William Dunbar's "Lament for the Makers," which lists all of his fellow poets who died young.

Also, only the rich could afford herbs to ward off disease, at least in the cities where the plague broke out, and the herbs were carried in sachets or stuck into pomander balls. "Pockets" were separate little cloth bags that were tied around the waist (thus "Lucy Locket lost her pocket/Kitty Fisher found it").

The Greenaway version reads as follows:

Ring-a-ring-aroses, A pocket full of posies, Hush! Hush! Hush! Hush! We've all tumbled down.

There's been a lot of strange theories about nursery rhymes, most of them pretty far fetched. The majority of what we now think of as "Traditional nursery rhymes" probably aren't much older than the Victorians or the Regency period in England. Sorry....:(

Karen Evans Easthampton, MA [in the middle of a nasty sleet storm]

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:04:32 -0500 (EST) From: TeresitaFaol.com To: rmaiettacsrlink.net, QHLcuenet.com Subject: Re: QHL: Hughesville!!! Message-ID: <971114110432_1246864208mrin46.mail.aol.com>

Ricki (and all)

Thanks for your postings concerning my quilt.

How exciting!!!! Oh, I would have loved to see that house...if she didn't live there she probably knew the people who did.

I found an address for a Narber family in Hughesville, PA (rural route box, maybe a farm???). I'm a little nervous about contacting them...considering the size of the town, etc. I'm sure they must be related in some way. The next time I'm up visiting my family, I'm going to try to drive over to Hughesville and spend the day looking through anything I can get my hands on that may shed some light into the lady who made this quilt.

How would I go about getting a hold of a 1860 census? This project is really turning out to be a great bit of fun!

Bye for now...

Theresa in OK

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:19:18 -0800 From: Anne Copeland <anneappraisrworldnet.att.net>

The Mormon Church, if there is a larger one nearby is often a wealth of information. They need to have a geneology library, but I found one in the Los Angeles, and was amazed at the records I found, from every state in the US. They had records of household inventories, and included slaves and household linens in many of these. I can't remember if they had a census or not, but you can write the Census Bureau and find out where such information would be located. They may even have a web site.

Good luck with your research. Hope this helps you.

Anne Copeland

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 97 15:40:48 EST From: "Bob Mills" <decisiontigger.jvnc.net>

One of my quilting students came to class this week bringing two old quilts that she had from her parents. She mumbled that it was ok if I didn't want to see them and that I would think she was crazy for trying to repair them.

The first one was baby blocks and belonged to a 'great-great' grandmother(not sure of details) and that it was carried out to Ohio on a covered wagon by the woman. A lot of it was shredded and my student, while in a body cast some years ago, had replaced many of the pieces with 'old looking fabric,' and made the quilt slightly larger and rebound it. She was afraid that she had ruined it, although her dad had used it to wrap furniture in, etc. her repairs were nicely made, but more fabric was disintegrating. I suggested she applique pieces over the disintegrated ones. She wants to be able to put it on a bed and cherish it.

Her second quilt was a log cabin-with wool centers made out of her great-great grandfathers wedding coat. Guess what color the centers were? Black. The centers were proportionately large compared to the small blocks. Lots of silk, wool, etc. fabrics but not too many were shredded. She had already picked out the ties and backing and basted on a muslin inside and a new cotton backing and will tie the quilt back together. This one has very narrow strips-about 3/4" and is a big quilt.

My advice to her this week will be to find out more dates and names and places of her relatives so she can add to the quilt's history.

We had just played with log cabin blocks the week before in class, arranging them in all different designs, so this was a treat for everyone to see.

Jan Drechsler in gloomy, rainy NJ

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:26:03 0000 From: "The Garretts" <bgarrettfast.net> To: QHLcue.com

One of the ladies I do volunteer work with was a mill owner's daughter growing up. I started asking about her memories of feedsacks and she agreed to be interviewed by me -- couldn't believe I thought she had something interesting to tell about. Most of what she said reinforced things I had previously heard, but first hand hearing is nice. For those who are interested , a summary of my notes follows --

Alice, born 1927, eastern Lancaster County, PA, father acquired mill from his father-in-law in 1934. It was a flour, feed and grain mill, and being a miller was a full time job. Economic condition - average, not poor. Family was medium conservative Mennonite -- cape dresses, prayer coverings with loosely tied ribbons, men in black plain suits, drove cars and trucks.

The family lived across the driveway from the mill. Alice remembers going with her mother to pick out bags for dresses. With 5 daughters, they got first choice. Her mother was good at sewing and they were never ashamed of their dresses. Girls wore feedsack dresses til joined church -- age 15. Ladies did not use feedsacks for their cape dresses. Her brothers did not have shirts of feedsacks.

Alice remembered making and using pieced comforts -- "they are knotted". They were often 4 and 9 patch, not alot of detail, made from scraps, knotted, flannel or feedsack back, inside was an old comfort with new top or old blankets. After she was married (1949) she bought comfort batting for her children's and grandchildren's comforts.

Quilting was a big part of her mother's life. Had parties at home for aunts and friends. Enjoyed playing with kids that came along -- would sometimes get into trouble. When she got older she would thread needles and help with the tying, but never helped with the quilting. Her mother went to sewing circle at church (Mennonite) once a month where they would quilt and knot comforters.

She remembers both Plain and non Plain families using feedsacks. Most were farmers, but she and her sister also remember selling feedsacks -- for 20 cents each they think. She said her father emptied the 100 lb sacks and mixed the contents with other stuff and they flattened the sacks and sold them.

She helped in the mill and drove trucks to make deliveries in the 40s. She would get fabric either with her mother or father. She remembers women coming to the mill and picking out bags, and whole families coming, especially the girls to pick their fabrics. Men did also come alone.

Items she remembers from feedsacks -- Girl's dresses -- yes Women's dresses -- no Boy's shirts -- no, but knows other families did Underwear -- no, but her grandmother made slips and underwear, her mother did not Dishtowels -- yes Quilts -- yes Curtains -- yes Pillowcases -- yes Sheets -- no, but her mother-in-law had done this Stuffed animals -- yes Doll clothes -- yes, from her mother's scraps

Her 4 younger brothers would play mill -- they had a rigging set up in a window to hoist the bags inside like dad did -- Alice and her sister would make 5" by 5" bags for the brothers using mom's scraps -- both printed and plain -- and fill them with spilled grain from the floor. The boys would load these bags onto their toy trucks and hoist them inside, just like dad.

Married in 1949, she did not use feedsacks as a young married, and didn't make any clothes for her children from them. Her dad still owned the mill, but the only feedsacks she used were for dishclothes, which she got from her mother, not from the mill. She doesn't remember them being used as fabric after her marriage.

I loved the the story about making the toy feedsacks for her brothers. Alice is a dear and said she will ask her sisters when they get together if they remember anything else. She finds the interest in feedsacks humerous and when I showed her the feedsack top I had just pieced she found numerous prints she recognized. That was fun for both of us. Her memories of feedsacks seem to be happy ones -- it was the fabric everyone was using, because it was there and available.

Thank you for reading, I hope it was interesting.

Barb in southeastern PA <bgarrettfast.net>

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:05:33 -0500 From: Judy Smith <judyquilt.net>

..who helped Lauriie better identify her silk log cabin... She now has a handle on what she has and what she should do with it... BTW, I KNEW it wasn't a crazy quilt...<G> --Judy

-Judy

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:15:22 -0500 From: DeSchuitix.netcom.com To: bgarrettfast.net CC: QHLcue.com Subject: Re: QHL: Feedsacks Message-ID: <346CCD7A.2DE8ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Barbara, Thank you for sharing the feedsack story from Alice. I don't contribute much to this group but I learn alot. I am a wannabee or a should have been. -- Kathy in NH :) DeSchuitix.netcom.com "Families are like quilts: lives pieced together, stitched with smiles and tears, colored with memories, bound with LOVE."

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 04:25:02 -0600

Judy: Glad I could be of help. Has she found anyone locally to appraise it? Laura > > > We invite you to become a Charter member of the Vintage Quilt & Textile Society. An organization devoted to the study and sharing of information on vintage quilts, textiles and related topics. Monthly newsletters, local meeting for those available and annual conference. For more information contact: Laura Hobby Syler Karen Erlandson Vintage Quilt & Textile Society 2401 Blue Cypress Richardson, TX 75082 vqts1airmail.net Please include snail mail address for complimentary copy of newsletter

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:05:21 -0800 From: nikdebjuno.com (Debra L Hofland)

I'd love to hear any answers to this topic too, since I've recently fallen totally in love with nine-patches.

Deb in Spokane

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:02:02 -0800 From: nomadic one <nomad1ibm.net>

G'day QHL'ers, Just a quick note to say I have not popped off the face of the earth! Just that gremlins seem to have taken over our computer & I never know what is going to happen next. I have been off air for yonks.So if you are waiting for a reply & have not heard from me, please do remail. I am slowly wading through those that were waiting there on the server. TTFN, Hiranya Loder from Sydney Australia where we are already roasting, though its still supposed to be Spring! >^..^<

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:21:54 -0500 (EST) From: JBQUILTOKaol.com

QuiltFixeraol.com wrote: >My favorite quilt is a baby quilt that Barbara Brackman believes is about >1840. It is the light double pink in the sashing and many chocolate brown >prints in the bow ties. I just wonder if this quilt was made for a baby >that died as the quilt is in such good condition and looks as though is was >carefuly put away and not brought out for a long, long time.

It was not unusual for unmarried women to spend their time making clothing, etc for future children. I read of a stash of baby clothes found in the attic of a spinster. Apparently she spent a great deal of her reproductive years planning to have the best dressed child in town. They were all carefully stored in a chest in the attic. Friends or relatives could also have made the quilt & then had a falling out with the intended mother. (I kept a baby quilt I'd made for charity for about 5 years because I loved it too much to just give it away. If my stepson and his wife I like hadn't had a little girl a year ago, it would still be in my closet!)

It's kind of fun to speculate on the past, isn't it?

Janet

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:43:14 -0500 (EST) From: JBQUILTOKaol.com

Laura Hobby Syler asked about the dates of the Kansas City Star patterns. These ran from 1928 thru 1961. The first pattern printed was a 15 inch Pine Tree. There were 1,068 patterns which included 4 series quilts (Santa's Parade, Memory Bouquet, Horn of Plenty, and Happy Childhood). Central Oklahoma Quilters Guild collected all of the patterns & made samples of each. The individual blocks & the series quilts are usually shown at our every-other-year quilt show in August.

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 21:24:12 -0600 From: Laura Hobby Syler <texas_quilt.coairmail.net> To: JBQUILTOKaol.com CC: QHLcuenet.com Subject: Re: QHL: Kansas City Star History Message-ID: <346E675C.1192airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

JBQUILTOKaol.com wrote: > > Laura Hobby Syler asked about the dates of the Kansas City Star patterns. > These ran from 1928 thru 1961. The first pattern printed was a 15 inch Pine > Tree. There were 1,068 patterns which included 4 series quilts (Santa's > Parade, Memory Bouquet, Horn of Plenty, and Happy Childhood). Central > Oklahoma Quilters Guild collected all of the patterns & made samples of each. > The individual blocks & the series quilts are usually shown at our > every-other-year quilt show in August.

Thanks for posting this to the list. I've had several people e-mail me privately asking for any responses. VQTS will be doing several articles in the Dec newsletter based on our upcoming meeting (Nov 21) on Feedsack Quilts (YES! Jane, aka "Baglady111", will be there) and depression era patterns. TA... Laura> > >

We invite you to become a Charter member of the Vintage Quilt & Textile Society. An organization devoted to the study and sharing of information on vintage quilts, textiles and related topics. Monthly newsletters, local meeting for those available and annual conference. For more information contact: Laura Hobby Syler Karen Erlandson Vintage Quilt & Textile Society 2401 Blue Cypress Richardson, TX 75082 vqts1airmail.net Please include snail mail address for complimentary copy of newsletter

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 09:23:41 PST From: "Tammy Western" <tsw31hotmail.com>

Hello,

I'm building my own web page and I was wondering if anyone knows of a good web site with clip art, backrounds, gif files, etc.... I have some but I'm still looking...

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/3824

Thanks for any help you can give!

Tammy in WV (PS-if you visit me, sign my guestbook please!)

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:16:12 0000 From: "The Garretts" <bgarrettfast.net>

Last week I spoke to the Women's Fellowship of a local church -- I give a talk on the social history of quiltmaking illustrated by 50 historical doll quilts I have designed and made -- and one of the women said she grew up 1 block from my circa 1800 house. The ladies invited me to visit their bazaar which was today and while talking to this woman about her 50 year old memories of the community, another lady sat down and joined in and started talking about the local feed mill. This perked up my interests so while she ate her breakfast, I took some notes -- not a formal interview, but interesting facts none the less. It is truly amazing where you can find information. The only thing I said to get her started was -- tell me about using feedsacks when you moved to the farm.

Ruth married in 1939 and moved to a farm with no electricity and no bathroom in northern Chester County. Lived there 5 years and moved to a neighboring farm with electricity. Her feedsack remembrances are as a young married farmer's wife.

The mill they dealt with was James' Mill -- now a beautiful residence. When she visited, the owner's son George would say "which colors do you want today". She could only afford to buy 2 bags of chicken feed at a time, so George would set aside the other 2 matching bags for her to pick up "next week when the milk check came in." That's how she got enough matching ones to get a dress. She said she made plain simple straight dresses from the feedsacks, and also curtains for the farm house.

She thinks the bags of chicken feed cost $3 or $3.50. Sometimes she would tell her husband to "pick out something nice" when she didn't go to the mill. He would say "I don't know what you like" so she would usually go with him. When she didn't and if he brought something home not to her liking she would "make a dress to wear only in the barn." (She said this with a smile)

Ruth is 80 years very young, and seemed very happy with her remembrances of using feedsacks -- she didn't indicate that they were terrible to use, but did admit that they were very poor and being German you used what was available. Unfortunately, breakfast was about over, and she had lots of people wanting to talk to her, so we never got to talk quilts, except she said ...

Her grandmother's quilting group at church -- a Lutheran Church in Shafferstown, PA -- either Lancaster or Lebanon County I think -- would hang quilts around the walls that they had made during the year when the church had their Thanksgiving Dinner. The quilts were for sale, and people would buy tickets for the family style dinner held the Saturday before Thanksgiving during the 1930s -- she remembers attending as a teenager -- and all the quilts would sell. Her mother never attended the quiltings -- she said all the women were over 65 who quilted.

I hope I can arrange to meet with her again. She has opened up some interesting new areas. I had never heard of the mill owner holding bags for you til next week, but she freely offered that piece of information, and when I asked her about it she indicated that it wasn't all that special of treatment. Old time small town friendliness, I guess. One question I have if anyone knows of receipts, account books, etc -- what was the price of a 100 lb bag of chicken feed in the 30s and 40s. Thanks.

Thanks for reading, and I promise no more feedsack postings <grin>.

Barb in southeastern PA <bgarrettfast.net>

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 19:08:13 -0500 (EST) From: JOCELYNMdelphi.com To: JBQUILTOKaol.com, QuiltFixeraol.com, QHLcuenet.com Subject: Re: QHL: my favorite quilt Message-id: <01IQ1SK540QA93BZDJdelphi.com> Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII

On 15-NOV-1997 00:51:44.8 JBQUILTOK said to JOCELYNM > It was not unusual for unmarried women to spend their time making >clothing, etc for future children. I read of a stash of baby >clothes found in the attic of a spinster. Janet, When my mom introduced me to quilting, she also introduced me to the concept of the 'hope chest'. Unmarried girls were supposed to spend their free time (as opposed to the time they owed their mamas, doing mending and making clothes for the household) making linens for their future home. I've read of quilting traditions that said that if a girl didn't have a dozen quilttops in her hope chest by the time she turned 21, she'd never marry! <G> In areas that had this tradition, it was apparently the custom not to quilt the tops until the girl was ready to marry, possibly due to the lack of storage space in her parents' home. The parents would host a quilting bee, and at the bee, the girl's engagement would be announced, as the women worked on HER quilts, not her mother's, for the first time. Additional bees would be held as needed to get the dozen quilts quilted, and to provide her with all the accumulated wifely wisdom of the community. <G> Let's see...as of last night, I have 5 quilttops...which probably explains why I'm unmarried! <G>

Jocelyn

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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:40:14 1100 From: LiJoo <lijoovermont.starway.net.au>

> >Thanks for reading, and I promise no more feedsack postings <grin>. > >Barb in southeastern PA ><bgarrettfast.net> >

Hey, Barb! I am really enjoying the feedsack postings and if you have more to tell, I would want you to continue. If others on the QHL are not interested in hearing more, then, Barb, please e-mail privately to me to tell me more, because I find it all very fascinating and interesting.

LiJoo Melbourne, Australia - where I should be studying like mad for my exams and not writing this! :(

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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 01:40:07 -0500 (EST) From: ROM1026aol.com To: QHLcuenet.com Subject: QHL: Re: QHL-Digest Digest V97 #307 Message-ID: <971116014007_306414424mrin39>

In a message dated 97-11-15 23:37:55 EST, you write:

> Ruth is 80 years very young, and seemed very happy with her remembrances of

> using feedsacks -- she didn't indicate that they were terrible to use, but

> did > admit that they were very poor and being German you used what was available. > > Hi all, My Aunt was just over and we were talking about quilting. She told me she started sewing with feedsacks. She could not wait to go and buy the sacks and make something. She remembers loving a shorts pattern. It was neat to hear her talk about Feedsacks. Jane have you ever run across a shorts pattern? I would love to find one for her. Thanks Pat in rainy and brrrrrrrr NJ

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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 97 20:35:17 PST From: John & Cinda Cawley <cawleyepix.net>

Hi Sharon, Your friend will want to go to the Abby Aldrich Rockefeller Folk Art Musem while in Wmsburg. Also the Wallace Museum of Decorative Arts. This in addition to the restoration proper. I love Wmsburg. Christiana Campbell's Tavern is my favorite of the restoration's restaurant. Their spoon bread is fine. Cinda

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