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Quilters Find a way to care

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:57:12 -0500

From: "Kris Driessen, Hickory Hill Quilts" <oldquilt@albany.net

I have been delaying making the announcement that we carry Dating Fabrics  until it came out - those of you in Omaha know that it was delayed due to the addition of more fabric and a change in binding.  But it is here!  Not as large as "Textile Designs" but I would say every bit as useful.  And we do offer a QHL discount (which doesn't show, I subtract it when the order comes in.)  Here is the blurb:

DATING FABRICS; A Color Guide 1800 - 1900. Improved before it was      even released, this book now has 205 pages showing over 1,000 color swatches to help you recognize, identify and date vintage American fabrics as               used in quilts and clothing. This pocket size book (5 1/2" X 8 1/2) book is now               priced at $24.95.

Order it on line at http://www.hickoryhillquilts.com/heritage.htm

Thanks!

Kris

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:08:53 EDT

From: Baglady111@aol.com

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:17:00 -0300

From: KAREN BUSH <Birdsong@worldnet.att.net

I've been in lurk mode lately and have been reading the copyright

discussions. I think it IS important to all for any kind of original

works,etc, to know the laws along with just plain 'ol good manners. Yes,

quilters 'as a whole' are considerate of others as far as giving

credit, well, at least 'wondering' if they should give credit for a

specific work that was used and then taken to different levels with

their own ideas added to the work. Right.

Having said that, I'm talking about NEW work, not the traditional

patterns and designs.Have you ever been to Houston? When the "Primitive"

styles started taking off like hot cakes about l0 years ago, Everybody

jumped on the band-wagon and started designing the same style. Same

style didn't constitute 'infringement', but, some of the 'new' patterns

are SO close that it looks like the original designers work with someone

else’s name on them.

        It's a touchy situation. You don't hear about lawsuits and copyright

infringement because l) the hassle 2) the bad publicity (these people

are trying to make a living with these patterns,etc and want NO bad

publicity) 3) the expense of lawyers 4) and just because. NOT that they

don't have the 'right' to. Each pattern in EACH book has to be

given it's own separate copyright to truly protect the design/pattern.

NOT just the book as a whole. I don't know the legal jargon, although, I

Should, but, I'm talking about 'first hand' knowledge/situations. Not

from my own works, or book, but some friends are in the middle of this

right now. It's sad,it's bad for business, and in general will give the

quilt world out there a black eye. Although, it's time that there are

limits put on just how much a designer can be copied for monetary gain

by the copier. Original designer #l has a book of designs collaborated

with designer #2. Designer #l owns the company and EMPLOYEES designer #2

with her designs in the book,etc. BUT, designer #l owns the design by

Legal right as owner of the company, meeting all the financial demands

of publishing said paterns, shelling out the money for the running of

the business and all the expenses, AND the salaries of Designer

#2...along with paying royalties to #2 for the sales of the book. It's

getting confusing just trying to Explain this! Just think what it will

be like in court!

        Designer #1 has put up with all of this for YEARS because it's just not

worth the bad feelings in the quilt world. I've picked up a catalog of

new patterns over the years and having a harder and harder time

discerning WHO'S designs I'm looking at....Since #l has

had so much  success, there are DOZENS of new companies popping up with

her original basic designs, and it's hard to tell which ones are hers

and which are 'rip offs'. I call them rip offs because some of them

haven't changed or designed anything of their own work on the basic

design ONE IOTA...and, as far as the " 20% change" or you can change a

border, etc, to be  "legally correct" is NOT correct.

`       As far as Log Cabins, Nine Patch, the traditional desigsn, I believe

they are for "Public Domain" or whatever the phrase is for the older

patterns who have out lived any copyrights. Those are impossible to

copyright as they are passed down for so many generations now, and

probably never DID have a copyright. But, since the laws, designers

have tried to protect their OWN designs. NOT to keep the work for

themselves, but, when they design it's always in the back of their minds

to maybe to a 'series' of the same in more books. Without the copyright

and if people are going to copy, outright copy, then, they lose their

livelihood. Actually, it's NOT a sticky or confusing issue. It's just as

much a legal issue as if someone went out and designed a car or anything

else using the exact same parts, style, etc, as, say Ford Escort, or

anything else.  Quilts and all the businesses that have developed from

quilts, quilting, books, designs, etc, shouldn't be minimized just

because they ARE quilts. No more than any other commercial product.

        I applied for a copyright for my book. NOT because I thought this would

prevent it from being copied. I don't figure on people NOT going to the

Xerox and making copies for classes, etc. That's already happened.

That's NOT to say it's right, I just can't 'police'

this activity and instead of pulling out my hair, I just have to

classify it as "flattering" that people  l) willing to take the

consequences of infringing on my copyright if they're caught

2) several have called to ask if they can use it for classes they'd like

to give from my book, and I usually answer, "of course, as long as each

member of the class buys a book 3) or,...no, you can't write your OWN

book by using my book as a "guide"....that's one's already come

up...Accchhh...!! Using it for 'ideas'...I can't do anything about, and

if it helps them write their OWN book, fine. BUt, to use my work, word

for word, .....don't THINK so!!

        My friends have learned the hard way, that copyrighting a BOOK doesn't

protect the individual designs IN the book. Each one has to be copyright

protected. Ugh...But, for a court case #l DOES have a leg to stand on,

unlike #2 who has blatantly used the designs for her OWN book. (her

justification is that SHE designed for #l and is using her own

designs for later books) Sounds good, sounds right, but NOT legal...

        The Quilt-world is basically and generally a friendly world to be in,

but, business is business no matter WHAT the business is. IT's a

livelihood for Thousands and when that livelihood is copied, that means

someone ELSE is benefiting from someone else's hard work.

        Whew...guess all I should have done is given you the URL to do the

research on this instead of my diatribe, but, it's Not a nice situation

for my friends right now, and it's getting nasty out there in the

markets,etc. That's a shame.

        Anyway, the URL for all of this and the information for copyrights,

what constitutes "original" works,etc, is

http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/  To KNOW if it's safe

to use a pattern/design or whatever for commercial purposes, there's

always a die-hard method....CALL the DESIGNER!! Ask for permission. It's

the Only fair way, and they will usually grant permission by letter(if,

in fact, they grant it), so you can have it in your file to protect

yourself. I've done this and the designer is usually quite impressed by

the fact they were actually ASKED! Enough, I've taken up a whole digest

by writing ANOTHER book on this.

 Sorry it took up so much space, but, this IS an important issue and the

more new companies benefiting financially, the more this issue is going

to come up. kb (out of breath and probably said Too much)  :(

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:18:36 -0500

From: Mary Waller <mswaller@iw.net>

I spotted one "Fruit Basket" dinner plate in an antiques shop.  This is

the design for Nebraska's Grace Synder's Fruit Basket quilt with the 8

bazillion (approximately!) pieces and on the cover of her biography, "No

Time on My Hands".  It's in very good - excellect condition and I'd be

happy to get the plate if anyone here would like it; $10 would cover

cost and shipping in the U.S.

Mary Waller

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:08:32 -0400

From: Barb Garrett <bgarrett@fast.net>

To: QHL@cuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Feedsack memories

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Today's feedsack memories come from 2 QHL members.  My thanks to them

for sharing.  If you have memories to share and preserve in the feedsack

archives, an information form can now be e-mailed to you, and returned

to me the same way.


Fran was born in Newark, Delaware, in 1922.  Fran said she has only one

memory involving feedsacks, it is from her childhood, and is not a good

memory.  She grew up in Washington, D.C., and spent several weeks each

summer with a cousin, who was a dressmaker in Wilmington, Delaware.  One

year Fran's cousin made her a dress with matching panties from

feedsacks.  Fran hated the dress because all her friends were "city"

girls, too sophisticated to wear anything like that.


Claire was born in Nebraska in 1932, and her memories are also those of

childhood.  She was born and raised on a feed farm in rural Nebraska,

one of 7 children and says she has wonderful memories of farm life and

town activities which centered around the local Catholic Church and

school.


Her mother would use her chicken and egg money to purchase the staples

that came in feedsacks.  When they had 3 sacks alike, her mother would

take the children to Anna, the local dressmaker, and she would make

their dresses.  Claire remembers always being thrilled.  Her mother used

only white feedsacks for tea towels and aprons.


Claire also shared that her husband worked in a flour mill during high

school.  He remembers the women who came in and knew exactly what colors

and prints they wanted, and woe to him if one of the bags got a tear in

it when he was loading the sacks into the car.

Barb in southeastern PA

<bgarrett@fast.net>

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 09:17:19 -0700 (PDT)

From: Marilyn Maddalena <marilyn@crl.com

Re quilt show insurance: The Chapter does have to be a member of NQA to

purchase the quilt show insurance.  Chapter dues are $25.00 annually for a

new chapter, with a $17.00

annual renewal fee.  Individual memberships are $17.00 per year.  There

are many benefits to NQA membership; among them is the quilt show

insurance. We did a National Quilting Day show in the shopping mall and

it cost us $25.00 for one day.  You can purchase additional coverage for

damage to the quilts at a very reasonable rate also. Our guild's

insurance company had quoted me $150.00.  So,

NQA is "cheap at twice the price" plus you get the Quilting Quarterly --

I do have an affiliation; I'm Publications Chair for NQA.  But it's

certainly worth looking into for both Chapters and individuals.  Marilyn

in Sacramento. Their e-mail is nqa@erols.com. 


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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:07:38 EDT

From: BrickWks1@aol.com

<<  If I remember correctly, the whole issue really began

 back in the early '80s(?) with Maria McCormick Snyder's "Chrysalis"

 quilt...it appeared in Houston...a gentleman (engineer type-arent they

 always?) attending the show for the first time with his wife was so taken

 with all the wonderful geometric drafting, that he went home, played around

 and came up with the pattern (not intending to 'copy' Maria's quilt.not

 even remembering exactly what he had seen or just *where* he got the

 idea..according to him, just dumb luck).  It was submitted to QNM (my his

 oh so proud wife)...long story short, she sued the pants off of him.  >>

I also remember this story, but according to my files of old QNMs, the

engineer never said that he had specifically seen Maria's quilt. SHE was the

one who said he did -- he just said he came up with the idea. What was the

outcome of the suit? I've always wondered that.

   When I was working at QNM, we were forever running into this kind of

situation. Case in point: when the Colourwash method first came out, and was

promoted as Deirdre Amsden's original thought, a lady from Australia wrote QNM

demanding that we say SHE came up with the idea first. Who knows...at any

rate, we used to joke a lot about there being a "quilt ideas pipeline"

floating above us, and people tapping into the same idea. I think there may be

more than a grain of truth to this.

   NOW the people I personally have trouble with are the ones who use a

pattern, and/or make an exact copy of a famous quilter's quilt (including

colorways), then promote it as their "original design" or own piece. (There

is, in my mind, a big difference between a copy and an attributed

interpretation. I.e., writing right on the quilt, "I was influenced by ---- in

making this quilt.)

   Do you remember, more than a decade ago, when a lady copied Jinny Beyer's

Star of the East (the Good Housekeeping contest winner), practically thread

for thread, then won a top prize in an AQS competition with it? I saw it in

one of their "Prize Winning Quilts" compilations, and felt very nauseous...in

that book, there was not ONE MENTION of Jinny and her quilt. I don't know if

AQS ever publicly addressed this wrong, but it has bothered me all these

years.

   One final thing on the Kansas City Star and other quilt columnists --

please bear in mind that many, many (if not most) of their designs were

actually redraws of patterns already in existence. So even they could not

argue that all of their work was "original." I do not think that this was, at

least for traditional patchwork, even an issue at that time. Just considered

"sharing."

    Cindy

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Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 14:25:53 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)

From: Mary Persyn <Mary.Persyn@valpo.edu>

In Indiana, with some paperwork, you can get permission to

raffle a quilt.  The Charitable Gaming Division of the

State Department of Revenue handles it.  Filling out the

paperwork is less stressful than worrying about the guild

members being arrested for selling chances on a quilt.  The

bottom line, however, is whether the local prosecutor,

states attorney, or whatever they are called in your area,

thinks that raffles by not-for-profits are worth

prosecuting.


Our guild has gotten the NQA insurance for our last several

shows.  We ask the members to value their quilts

themselves, reminding them that an insurance co. may not

put the same value on a quilt that you do.  We then add up

the values and take out that much insurance.  We also get

"slip-and-fall" insurance for the show through NQA.  The

last time I did it, the insurance was relatively easy to

get since the agent through which NQA works is used to

doing quilt show insurance. 


Just my $.02.


-----------------------------------------

Mary Persyn    (219) 465-7830

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I don't know of any sites, but I do have a copy of an article from Quilter's

Newsletter Monthly, NOv. 91, called "Looney Laws Concerning Quilting", by Robert

W. Pelton.  He states that:


1. It is illegal to quilt in a cemetery in Bowman, NOrth Dakota.

2. In Bicknell, Indiana, it is illegal to smoke a cigar while making a quilt for a

kid's Christmas gift.

3. In Hackberry Arizona, you cannot be caught dipping snuff while quilting

4. In Upperville, VA, it is illegal to quilt on a Sunday if you are a woman who is

single, widowed, or divorced.

5. In Chumuckla, FL  an individual can be charged with "willfull slothfulness" "

for quilting on church property while a worhsip service is in session."

 6. You must have special permission  from the sheriff in Attica, IA to buy, sell

or trade quilts "after the sun goes down."

7. In Franklin, KY an old law prohibits quilting after dar,

8. In Marion, SC an old law says that a girl can't marry unless she proves her

womanhood by providing her future husband with 3 quilts.  These quilts must first

be brough to her prospective mother-in-law for approval.

9. "Any woman working with others on a quilting project in Bluff, UTah, can wear

heels measruing no more than one and one-half inches in height."

10. If you're a woman in Penninsula, OH you can't sell your quilts at a roadside

stand while wearing patent leather shoes.  The fear is that "men 'might look at

the reflection' in the woman's shoes and thereby 'see something they oughtn't.'"

11. You can't eat peanuts while working on a quilt in Schurz, NV.

12. In Kidderville, NH you can't sell quilts in your front yard while reading the

newspaper.

13. In Tranquility, NJ, it is against the law for a woman to be heard whistling

while quilting on the Sabbath.

14. In Old Furnace, MA,  a woman is banned from "working on a quilt if she's

wearing 'body  hugging' clothing or 'clothing that clings to her body.'"

15. In White Horse, NM you're not allowed to sell quilts between "the curb and a

building on any street."

16. In Okanoggan, WA it is against the law to carry quilts "down Main Street in a

wheelbarrow."

17. In Clarendon, TX there is a law that states an attorney can be barred from

practicing law if he refuses to accept a quilt for  his legal fees.

18. Persons in Nekoma, NC who photograph people at craft shows while they are

making quilts on the Sabbath can be fined and put in jail.

19.In Lowes Crossroads, Delaware, housewives arent' allowed to swap quilts at noon

in the town square.

20. In Hickory Plains, Arkansas, a married woman isn't allowed to make quilts on

Easter Sunday.


I don't know about any of you, but if I ever need legal help I'm heading for

Claremont, TX.


Nancy Schott

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:27:59 EDT

From: JQuilt@aol.com

thank you Barb for those "feedsack memories"

I would love to read a book comprised of feedsack memories and

anecdotes...maybe Jane or someone she knows will write one someday.

jean

jquilt@aol.com