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Date Wed, 12 May 1999 231540 EDT

From Jilly31@aol.com

Could anyone give advise on displaying my quilts in a local quilt show? This

is the first time I have ever displayed my quilts at a show and I am

wondering if there is anything I should do before "turning them over" to the

show directors. I know the local historian in charge of the show and trust

her to care for them but since this being my first display I thought some of

you might have good advise.

Bye the way, our local show will be held June 12th to the 18th in

Centerville, IN

Jill

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Date Thu, 13 May 1999 004659 -0400

From "J. G. Row" <Judygrow@blast.net>

To "Quilt History List" <QHL@cuenet.com>, <mreich@ibm.net>

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Dear Sue,

What a gold mine of information your post was! It certainly does make sense

now, that if indeed my quilter got her scraps through donated scraps at

church fairs and bought by the pound that she could make an almost 1000

piece charm quilt. She had the entire area's stashs to cull from.

I am sure I am not the only one out here in quilt history land who will find

that bit of information invaluable!

Thank you so much.

Judy in Ringoes, NJ

judygrow@blast.net

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From sue reich <mreich@ibm.net>

To J. G. Row <Judygrow@blast.net>

>Dear Judy,

> I received a beautiful collection of 20's/30's fabric from an elderly

>neighbor of mine in Ohio about 20 years ago. The fabric had been collected

>by her mother. The pieces were already cut to make a fan quilt. I believe

>that it was meant to be a charm quilt because there were no two pieces that

>matched. However, the pastels colors of blue, pink, yellow, green, etc.

>were purposefully color co-ordinated.

> When I questioned my neighbor about this she said that she remembered how

>her mother acquired the scraps. (My neighbor was in her 20's and 30's in

>the 20's and 30's so I trust her memory.) She told me that her Mom

>collected her fabric at church fairs. There were booths with scraps of

>donated fabrics. A quilter could go through and take the pieces of scraps

>she needed and co-ordinated to her heart's content. The fabric was weighed

>and charged by the pound. This is how she collected the outstanding array

>of scraps. She had lived in Bedford, Ohio. I don't know if this was done

>in other parts of the U.S. Just an FYI. sue reich

>

>----------

>> From J. G. Row <Judygrow@blast.net>

>> To Quilt History List <QHL@cuenet.com>

>> Subject QHL Congrats, new studio, new quilt LONG

>> Date Wednesday, May 12, 1999 204 PM

>>

>> The DWR is a puzzlement, however.

>> None of the printed fabrics in it match any of the prints in the GFG,

>> although the exact same yellow solid was used in both -- as the center

>>hex in the GFG, and the medallion shaped connectors in the DWR.

>>

>> I have looked long and hard, late last night and again this morning, and

>> cannot find any two prints in the wedges of the DWR that match any other

>> printed wedges! That means that there are 960 different prints used in

>>this quilt! Not 1000, but close enough.

>>

>> Is it possible that the maker intentionally set out to make a charm

quilt?

>> Or were DWR charm quilt kits put out in the 30's, possibly early 40's?

>>

>> Judy in Ringoes, NJ

>> judygrow@blast.net

>>

>>

>>

>

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Date Thu, 13 May 1999 072212 EDT

From Tubeywooby@aol.com

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In a message dated 5/12/99 84744 PM, QHL-Digest-request@cuenet.com writes

<< I have been asked to give a program on antique quilts at our church and

thought I would include some information about how quilt patterns were

named after particular references in the Bible. >>

THere is a book out by Kaye England with Jericho in the name, I think. Also a

web site with lots of good bible blocks- you might make a search?

Melissa

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Date Thu, 13 May 1999 073619 -0500

From Laura Hobby Syler <texas_quilt.co@mail.airmail.net>

To Jilly31@aol.com

Cc qhl@cuenet.com

Subject Re QHL Quilt show entry

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Jill, Most shows will have "rules" that you must comply with before your

quilts will be accepted at the door. Most of them are pretty common sense,

but sometimes you wouldn't think of them until you've done it a couple of

time.

1) You most likely need a 4" casing or sleeve sewn securely to the top of

the quilt for hanging. This should not be any smaller than 4 " because you

do not know what the diameter of their dowels or poles to hang the quilts

will be.

I recommend, particularly if they are antique quilts that you use a gray

thread and stitch through the entire quilt, not just on the back. That way

the weight is supported through the entire piece.

2) Label - securely stitched- on bottom right hand back corner (right as

you are looking at the front of the quilt) with your name , address, name

of quilt, maker if known, any other important information. Label should

always go on the same corner so incase there is ever any judging the judge

will not inadvertantly see the makers name on the label.

3) Have an appraisal done. Most shows do carry insurance for each quilt up

to $500. If your quilt is worth more than that they need a written

appraisal to give to their insurance company to justify a higher amount.

4) Make sure the quilt is clean and show ready. I know this sounds silly,

but there is nothing more gross than to work with old smelly quilts(no

matter how wonderful they are) or trying to hang something that is covered

with cat hair <G>

These simple items have come from years of working with the Dallas show and

curating many small exhibits for the Vintage Quilt & Textile Society.

Again it's pretty common sense, once you've done it <G>

If anyone else has any other suggestions, chime in....

Laura

At 1115 PM 5/12/99 EDT, you wrote

>Could anyone give advise on displaying my quilts in a local quilt show?

This

>is the first time I have ever displayed my quilts at a show and I am

>wondering if there is anything I should do before "turning them over" to the

>show directors. I know the local historian in charge of the show and trust

>her to care for them but since this being my first display I thought some of

>you might have good advise.

>Bye the way, our local show will be held June 12th to the 18th in

>Centerville, IN

>

>Jill

>

>

>

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Date Thu, 13 May 1999 083641 -0500

From "Karen Erlandson" <erland@cooke.net>

To "QHL" <QHL@cuenet.com>

Subject QHL Re Quilt show entry

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"Could anyone give advise on displaying my quilts in a local quilt show? "

Jill,

With the recent congrats to the new certified appraisers on the list, this

just follows very smoothly.

It is always advisable to have your quilt appraised before putting it on

display in a show, exhibit, or anywhere else.

Check Kris's web site for an appraiser in your area.

Good luck!

Karen Erlandson

AQS certified appraiser

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Date Thu, 13 May 1999 090536 -0700

From "R & L Carroll" <Robert.J.Carroll@gte.net>

To "QHL" <QHL@cuenet.com>

Subject QHL researching quilts

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Hello!

Judith has asked an interesting question. How to research a quilt.

Would those of you who have experience researching quilts, please post

to the list the methods you use? I have quilts in my collection that

should be researched.

TIA,

Laurette in So California

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Date Thu, 13 May 1999 105458 -0700 (PDT)

From Kris Driessen <krisdriessen@yahoo.com>

To Judith Brainerd <jnrbrainerd@home.com>, QHL@cuenet.com

Subject Re QHL Re Researching the history of a quilt

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Judith,

I think I would start with http//www.ancestry.com. I

am not sure of the other resources, maybe someone else

will post.

Kris

--- Judith Brainerd <jnrbrainerd@home.com> wrote

> Hi, all. I got a lovely quilt for Mother's Day that

> is a red and green

> on white. Nice intricate quilting. There is a name

> and date

> cross-stitched on it Elica Ann Moll, 1852.

>

> I am interested in researching the history of this

> quilt but am not sure

> where to start. I know it was found in California

> (in someone's trash!)

> and brought up here. What would you all suggest? I

> know nothing about

> researching geneology but that seems a good place to

> start. Are any of

> you familiar with doing family searches with only a

> name & date? Any

> help would be appreciated!! Thanks.

>

> Judith B

> Olympia WA

>

> Q-Toons

> Quilt designs to tickle your funnybone!

> Judith@qtoons.com

> http//www.qtoons.com

>

>

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Date Thu, 13 May 1999 132839 -0700

From "Julia D. Zgliniec" <rzglini1@san.rr.com>

To Kris Driessen <krisdriessen@yahoo.com>

CC Judith Brainerd <jnrbrainerd@home.com>, QHL@cuenet.com

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Dear QHL,

When using the computer as a genealogy tool, the undisputed best place

to start is Cyndi's List. You will find more resources than you ever

imagined. You will also want to get into a "search able" database like

the one mentioned previously and it is possible to start with just a

name, date, and location.

Good luck,

Julia

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Date Fri, 14 May 1999 054521 -0400

From Debby Kratovil <kratovil@his.com>

To QHL@cuenet.com

Subject QHL Bible Blocks website URL

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http//www.mountain-inter.net/~graham/partners.html

Kim Graham has a wonderful website with at least 24 (yes, 24!!) Bible

Blocks, their patterns, and a description and Biblical reference for each.

A virtual goldmine of information that will serve very well for your

research for the church class. Also, Rosemary Makham (sp?) has a book

entitled Biblical Blocks (can't find my copy at this minute) that I believe

That Patchwork Place still publishes. Quite a few blocks, a short Biblical

description and a marvelous 24" Tree of Life central medallion (which I've

sewn 3 times for 3 quilts). Hope this helps! Debby

Debby Kratovil -- Quilter By Design

mailtokratovil@his.com

http//www.his.com/~queenb

Paper Piecing Patterns & More!

Mac Pfaffie 7570

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Date Fri, 14 May 1999 084758 -0500

From Mary Waller <mswaller@iw.net>

To QHL@cuenet.com

Subject QHL Journey to Jericho

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Audrey, The Kaye England book of biblical patterns is "Journey to

Jericho", published by ME Publishing, as in Mary Ellen Hopkins. You

could also try looking up some biblical names in pattern collection

books, like Brackman Jacob's Ladder, Hosanna Palm, Cross and Crown,

Dove, etc.

Mary Waller, Vermillion, SD

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Date Fri, 14 May 1999 100745 -0700

From Audrey Waite <awquiltr@sedona.net>

To QHL@cuenet.com

Subject QHL 1930's Quilt Patterns

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You have to take a peek at the 3 quilts Anne Dutton has made reproducing

those made by her grandmother in the 1930's

http//www.quiltcamp.com/QuiltCamp/Anne.htm

Those old patterns are so charming and with all the reproduction fabric

available today, don't we all want to make every one!

Audrey Waite in sunny Sedona, AZ

awquiltr@sedona.net

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Date Fri, 14 May 1999 210640 -0700

From Judith Brainerd <jnrbrainerd@home.com>

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Thank you to everyone who suggested ways to research my 1852 quilt. I

have gone into some of the geneology sites (you can get lost for days in

there!) and left messages on some message boards. Hopefully someone

from the Moll family will see my post and have some information.

This has been really interesting to me. I am thinking of doing a

reproduction of this quilt using the early 19th century repro fabrics to

replicate what it must have looked like when it was first made. It is

terribly faded now.

Xenia suggested it might be a "best" quilt because of the colors and the

applique. That could well be because of the care in the applique and

quilting. One odd thing - everything is quilted beautifully and

intricately except for one corner which looks like it was finished in a

hurry. There are morning glories in 2 corners a poinsietta-type flower

in the 3rd and the 4th looks like someone just whipped a few straight

lines in order to finish the quilt. I wonder what the story was behind

that?!

Judith B

Olympia WA

Q-Toons

Quilt designs to tickle your funnybone!

Judith@qtoons.com

http//www.qtoons.com

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Date Sat, 15 May 1999 041802 PDT

From "Ann-Louise Beaumont" <albeaumont@hotmail.com>

To QHL@cuenet.com

Subject QHL Sturbridge and Brimfield, Biblical Blocks

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asked the dealer the price which was 22 thousand. The next day I went back

to visit the quilt again and it wasn't up. The dealer told me that he had

taken it down and that it was going to Christie's. What a thrill to see it.

I overheard one dealer say that the Brimfield show was going very well,

because of the great weather and people had money in their pockets.

I believe the author of a Bible block book is Rosemary Makhan.

Best wishes,

Ann-Louise

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Date Sat, 15 May 1999 101824 -0400

From nancy roberts <robertsn@norwich.net>

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Two books have chapters or references to how religion influenced quilt

pattern names. Old Patchwork Quilts and the Women Who Made Them by Ruth

E. Finley (EPM Pubns., reprinted) and Quilting Manual by Dolores A.

Hinson (Dover Publishing). Good luck with your presentation. And thanks

for the links to the Bible block page and the '30s-style quilts in V99

#132. Nancy

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Date Sat, 15 May 1999 100450 EDT

From Jilly31@aol.com

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Debby, Oh such wonderful information about Bible Blocks! Thanks for sharing.

In a message dated 5/14/99 84719 PM US Eastern Standard Time,

QHL-Digest-request@cuenet.com writes

<< http//www.mountain-inter.net/~graham/partners.html

Kim Graham has a wonderful website with at least 24 (yes, 24!!) Bible

Blocks, their patterns, and a description and Biblical reference for each.

A virtual goldmine of information that will serve very well for your

research for the church class. Also, Rosemary Makham (sp?) has a book

entitled Biblical Blocks (can't find my copy at this minute) that I believe

That Patchwork Place still publishes. Quite a few blocks, a short Biblical

description and a marvelous 24" Tree of Life central medallion (which I've

sewn 3 times for 3 quilts). Hope this helps! Debby >>

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Date Sat, 15 May 1999 225417 EDT

From @aol.com

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I would be *very* careful about using =Old Patchwork Quilts & the Women Who

Made Them= as a source. It was written very early on, without the benefit of

modern research techniques and archival information, and contains many

inaccuracies and myths. It was a good effort for its time, but it can't be

considered a good source anymore.

Karen Evans

Easthampton, MA

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Date Sat, 15 May 1999 232733 -0500

From Laura Hobby Syler <texas_quilt.co@mail.airmail.net>

To @aol.com, QHL@cuenet.com

Subject Re QHL Bible Blocks

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In the same light, neither can Quilts In America by the Orlofskys, The

Romance Of the Patchwork Quilt by Rose Kretsinger, or anything written

about quilts pre 1989.....now, having blasted just about everything that we

as quilt historians use as research material, I think that it is best to

consider *what* exactly is the topic under investigation.

As far as the Biblical references to the names of the quilt blocks and

patterns, I would assume that the names that are referred to in those books

were correct for that time, and some of them may or may not still hold true

today.

Just remember to cite the source, and the published date and you will have

a whole other lecture on your hands before you know it!!!

Isn't it wonderful that we can study and do research and come up with

different answers than were previously thought to be true.

Laura

At 1054 PM 5/15/99 EDT, @aol.com wrote

>I would be *very* careful about using =Old Patchwork Quilts & the Women Who

>Made Them= as a source. It was written very early on, without the benefit

of

>modern research techniques and archival information, and contains many

>inaccuracies and myths. It was a good effort for its time, but it can't be

>considered a good source anymore.

>

>Karen Evans

>Easthampton, MA

>

>

>

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Date Sun, 16 May 1999 125604 EDT

From @aol.com

To qhl@cuenet.com

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<< In the same light, neither can Quilts In America by the Orlofskys, The

Romance Of the Patchwork Quilt by Rose Kretsinger, or anything written about

quilts pre 1989.....now, having blasted just about everything that we as

quilt historians use as research material, I think that it is best to

consider *what* exactly is the topic under investigation. >>

Let's see...I warned a questioner against using a 70 year old book that is

well known for misdating patterns and accepting romantic stories as fact. I

said *nothing* about any other book, either pre or post-1989 (and why that

date? What is special about 1989?). Nor was I "blasting" Ruth Finley's

book. I was stating a fact that has been public knowledge at least since the

article in QNM a few years back Ruth Finley did her best and tried her

hardest to produce an accurate book, but she simply did not have access to

modern research techniques, libraries, oral histories, and so on. Her work

has been superseded, exactly the same way that Jessie Weston's work on the

Grail legend was superseded by Roger Sherman Loomis's a generation later, and

Loomis's was in turn replaced by a younger generation of scholars.

Scholarship is not static. Without Ruth Finley, there might not be an AQSG.

But Finley's time was before many of us were born. It doesn't make sense to

rely on such an old, and admittedly flawed, book when there are better and

more recent sources available.

As for the other works mentioned...forgive me for seeming dense, but didn't

the Orlofskys revise their book about two years ago? Many of the old

classics need to be updated in light of recent work. The Orlofskys were wise

to recognize this, and I applaud them for doing so. I've been hoping for

years that someone would update the material in Averil Colby's =Quilting=, a

far more comprehensive work on quilting the world over than anything produced

in America to date.

*********

As for the original topic of discussion, Biblical quilt blocks, there might

be some information in Barbara Brackman's quilt pattern book. Religious

imagery has figured in quilting and patchwork for at least six hundred years,

since Durham Priory inventoried a quilt showing the Evangelists. This is a

fascinating subject. Good luck finding out more.

Karen Evans

Easthampton, MA

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Date Sun, 16 May 1999 135911 -0500

From Laura Hobby Syler <texas_quilt.co@mail.airmail.net>

To @aol.com, qhl@cuenet.com

Subject Re QHL Not what I meant

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Karen, I "blasted" the books, not you. Your explination is true, however,

it needs to be noted that sources are "aged", cited and again, that can be

a whole other topic. My VQTS members will recognize this method. I use it

often in my articles for the newsletter...Info available then vs. what we

know not.

OTOH....

The re-issuance of the Orlofksy's book was just that, a reprint. We urged

Patsy for many years to have the book reprinted, but since the research was

mainly Myron's, after his untimely death, she did not want to (for many

reasons) do a rewrite on the book, or even discuss the idea of reprinting

it. It was only after many years ( I know that I personally had spoken to

her about it at least 5 times from 1985 until 1991) did she relent and

allow the book to be reprinted *just as it was, with no revisions*

So, again, anything that was printed prior to '89 can be shot full of

holes. As to Brackman, again, you need to know some of the obscure

references that are given in books like Finley or Krestinger/Hall to know

just what is ment by the name. And the last time I spoke with Barbara on

updatind Clues....her only comment (3 years ago) was....."Maybe in 2000, if

I get around to it!"

Laura

At 1256 PM 5/16/99 EDT, you wrote

><< In the same light, neither can Quilts In America by the Orlofskys, The

>Romance Of the Patchwork Quilt by Rose Kretsinger, or anything written

about

>quilts pre 1989.....now, having blasted just about everything that we as

>quilt historians use as research material, I think that it is best to

>consider *what* exactly is the topic under investigation. >>

>

>Let's see...I warned a questioner against using a 70 year old book that is

>well known for misdating patterns and accepting romantic stories as fact. I

>said *nothing* about any other book, either pre or post-1989 (and why that

>date? What is special about 1989?). Nor was I "blasting" Ruth Finley's

>book. I was stating a fact that has been public knowledge at least since

the

>article in QNM a few years back Ruth Finley did her best and tried her

>hardest to produce an accurate book, but she simply did not have access to

>modern research techniques, libraries, oral histories, and so on. Her work

>has been superseded, exactly the same way that Jessie Weston's work on the

>Grail legend was superseded by Roger Sherman Loomis's a generation later,

and

>Loomis's was in turn replaced by a younger generation of scholars.

>Scholarship is not static. Without Ruth Finley, there might not be an

AQSG.

> But Finley's time was before many of us were born. It doesn't make sense

to

>rely on such an old, and admittedly flawed, book when there are better and

>more recent sources available.

>

>As for the other works mentioned...forgive me for seeming dense, but didn't

>the Orlofskys revise their book about two years ago? Many of the old

>classics need to be updated in light of recent work. The Orlofskys were

wise

>to recognize this, and I applaud them for doing so. I've been hoping for

>years that someone would update the material in Averil Colby's =Quilting=, a

>far more comprehensive work on quilting the world over than anything

produced

>in America to date.

>

>*********

>

>As for the original topic of discussion, Biblical quilt blocks, there might

>be some information in Barbara Brackman's quilt pattern book. Religious

>imagery has figured in quilting and patchwork for at least six hundred

years,

>since Durham Priory inventoried a quilt showing the Evangelists. This is a

>fascinating subject. Good luck finding out more.

>

>Karen Evans

>Easthampton, MA

>

>

>

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Date Sun, 16 May 1999 180716 EDT

From CABHoney@aol.com

To QHL@cuenet.com

Subject QHL Williamstown pattern

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I am looking for a pattern or information about a pattern I have misplaced.

My Aunt had made a quilt called Williamstown in 1960. It is red embroidery

and I wish I could describe it better, but here goes. It is on a white

background square, and in the center, the embroidery forms like a dresden

plate in cross stitch. Between each of these is an elaborate cross stitch

design, sort of cross shaped. I have the quilt but no means to scan it so you

can see it, but if anyone remembers a quilted embroidery pattern by that name

before 1960, please let me know any info.

Thanks!

Cindy, in Norman, Ok, 15 miles down the road from Moore, Ok where the

terrible tornadoes were almost two weeks ago.

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Date Sun, 16 May 1999 195738 EDT

From JBQUILTOK@aol.com

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Subject Re QHL Williamstown pattern

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Cindy's quilt sounds like it may have been made from some of the prestamped

quilt blocks that were available in the 60's. Any evidence of the blue

marking behind the stitches? It's supposed to wash out, but doesn't always

or sometimes comes back after it does.

I've got enough prestamped violet blocks for a full size quilt. I bought

them in the late 70's or early 80's. They travel around on vacation with me &

three or 4 more get finished every year. Someday I may get serious about

completing it.

Janet

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