99150 - 99154

Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:11:29 -0000

From: "Jeanne Fetzer" <jeannefetzer@integrityonline3.com

>Hi Jeanne, is it hand or machine pieced? Have you checked the thread as to

>ply and twist? That may not help you much, but you can start eliminating

>some things that way.  Hands All Around did appear in the KC Star

>series....if my memory serves me correctly. And I know that it is in the

>Ladies Art Co., catalog.

>anyone else with any suggestions?

>Laura

Brackman lists the pattern as KC Star 1936.  Is that the first time the

pattern was used?  What does the ply and twist tell you?  Where would that

be referenced?  It is machine and hand-pieced, mostly machine pieced.  Could

it be prior to 1900?  I know machines were widely available after the Civil

War.

Thanks, again!

Jeanne Fetzer

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:17:12 -0400

From: "John Cawley" <cawley@goeaston.net

I think counting stitches top and bottom makes no sense.  I don't know any

quilters who do that.  The resulting astronomical numbers of stitches to the

inch are silly and don't convey the sense of what the quilting is like that

numbers like 10 or 12 to the inch do.  This is a pet peeve of mine.

Cinda on the Eastern Shore

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From: Jeanne Fetzer <jeannefetzer@integrityonline3.com>

To: QHL@cuenet.com <QHL@cuenet.com>

Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 7:20 PM

Subject: QHL: Stitches per inch

>When you are measuring stitches per inch on a quilt documentation,

>do you count the ones you see on top or both top and bottom?  I have been

>only counting the ones on top, but have come across some museum records

>which use both top and bottom.  Comment, please!

>Jeanne Fetzer

>

>

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 06:22:47 -0500

From: "Ann G. Hubbard" <ahubbard@usmo.com>

When I went to fashion design school in Ca. we were taught that from the

stitch and the space after were one stitch. When you went back down into the

fabric you were starting the 2nd stitch. So the underneath stitch is part of

the first stitch. If you are counting stitches per inch, lay your ruler down

and count from the beginning of a stitch until you get to the 1 inch marking

on the ruler. I honestly think when they said 20 stitches per inch in olden

days, it would be 10 stitches per inch. When you consider machine stitching

and how small the stitches are when you sew 20 stitches per inch, it would

be impossible to handsew 20 stitches per inch by hand.

For whatever it is worth IMHO. Ann G. Hubbard Lake of the Ozarks, MO

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ate: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 08:35:24 -0400

From: Richard Crandall <crandall@cybertours.com

I am quite new to this list and am really enjoying all the information

regarding quilt history.  I am beginning to build a reference library

for identifying, dating, and with books on the history of

quilts/quiltmaking.  I have a few "staples" such as Brackman's book on

indentifying blocks, Clues in the Calico, and Dating Fabrics - A Color

Guide.  Also I have a few books on women moving westward etc.  What I

would like is for suggestions as to some good basics to add to my

collection.  I know Kris has many to offer so once I have some titles I

can start a "wish list".  I have a birthday and anniversary coming up

and it will be easy shopping for all those who love me!  Thanks so

much.  Carole in Maine

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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 08:05:47 +0400

From: Xenia Cord <xecord@netusa1.net

To Carole in Maine and anyone else developing a reading list, some

suggestions for beginning:

Orlofsky, Quilts in America

Kiracofe, The American Quilt

Adamson, Calico & Chintz

McMorris, The Crazy Quilt

Grannick, The Amish Quilt

Brackman, Encyclopedia of Applique

Meller & Elffers, Textile Design

All of the state search volumes

Any of the volumes of Uncoverings, annual publications of the American

Quilt Study Group (join!)

Any of the volumes of symposia papers edited by Jeannette Lasansky:

Pieced By Mother; In the Heart of Pennsylvania; Bits & Pieces; On the

Cutting Edge

Some of these are out of print and available thru your library or a book

search engine; most are seminal works but may contain information no

longer accepted today, just as what we write may be subject to argument

in the future <G>!

Xenia

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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 08:59:15 -0400

From: "jawhite@courant.infi.net" <jawhite@courant.infi.net>

Hi Jeanne.  On p. 50 in Brackman's "Clues in the Calico", she explains

about thread ply and age.three ply thread (3 separate threads twisted

together) was available in 1812 or before.  In the late 1840's,six ply

thread was developed and in 1860, Clark developed six cord thread which

they called Clark's O.N.T. spool cotton.  Hope this helps a little.

Judy White - Ct

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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 07:37:48 +0000

From: Shirley McElderry <tigersoup@lisco.ne

Re: dating quilts from Herrschner's magazines: I think the Herrschner's

and LeeWards companies bought "remainder" stock from Progress,

Homeneedlecraft, etc.  quilt kit companies. For example, the Progress

#1365 "The Pansy" quilt kit was advertised in the Herrschner 1948/49

catalog as "Pansy Design." It was again offered as "Perky Pansy" in

LeeWards F/W 1960/61 catalog.

The Homeneedlecraft #7452 "American Beauty Bouquet" (also Gold Art

#0052) was offered in the LeeWards F/W 1960/61 as "Rose Bouquet," and in

the Herrschner 1962/63 catalog as "Princess Rose." (A rose by any other

name--?) But the kit was available earlier; Dr. Jeanette Throckmorton

made this quilt in 1957, according to her meticulous records.

Oh what fun (and how confusing) is quilt research!

irley Mc from Iowa

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Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 09:06:56 -0400

From: "jawhite@courant.infi.net" <jawhite@courant.infi.net>

To: Quilt History list <QHL@cuenet.com>

CC: jeannefetzer@integrityonline3.com

Subject: QHL: Hands all Around

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Hi again Jeanne.  Re Hands all around - McKim's KC Star pattern call

Hands all 'Round was published in 1929.  It suggests "light and dark

areas be alternated" - "Hands All 'Round looks like a plump little rose

with leafy green corners.  With the center of white and the four pink

blocks of green with pink, blue or yellow corner diamonds it becomes a

four lillies block. . . "  In 1935 the pattern called Hands All Around

was published again suggesting bright colors.  The third printing was

July, 1935 with no color suggestions.  But none of these patterns

suggests yellow and red combination. 

Judy White - Ct

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:43:24 -0400

From: "Pat McAnally" <patmc@netcarrier.com>

I'm probably a little late with this suggestion for the travelers to the

Philadelphia area but my friend Cathy, formerly a director of one of

our historical properties, suggested that you contact the

Germantown Historical Society and ask to see their quilt

collection.  Apparently it is a real unsung treasure (with maybe 70

pieces?)  She remembers a gorgeous blue and white "orange peel"

friendship quilt made for a Germantown minister, many crazy

quilts, a big Quaker friendship quilt in silk. 

Cathy also suggests at the other end of the spectrum,  if you have

a car and are stopping in the Lancaster area, a visit to Sauder's will

probably lighten your spirits.  They are off the PA turnpike near

Zinn's diner (see www.quiltart.com/sauders.html for directions) and

sell lots of fabric, including Hoffman batiks for very reasonable

prices -- just check the quality of the griege goods first!  They also

have a wall of modern Amish fabrics (poly blends) and, my favorite

part, bulk foods like mega-pound bags of Jello.  I have no clue why.

 And one last tip, the bathroom is outside and down back.

Thanks to those of you who have written about my quest for a

library card catalog.  The consensus seems to be that they get

sold off at city auctions or taken to the dump (sigh.) The real key is

drawer space to fit odd shaped craft things, like big rolls of ribbon.

I've expanded the search to include seed bin counters from

hardware stores, etc.  It could also double as a cutting table with

one of those big mats. I'm going to try some architectural salvage

places. Will let you know what I find.

Pat, Southeast PA

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:19:41 -0000

From: "Jeanne Fetzer" <jeannefetzer@integrityonline3.com>

I am seeing more and more coverlets in my museum and documentation work.

Tell me more about Rabbit.  Who is he/she?

Any publications or books?

Jeanne Fetzer

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:01:05 -0700

From: "R & L Carroll" <Robert.J.Carroll@GTE.net

Hello!

My first quilting teacher quilted with the tiniest stitches I have ever

seen.

One day when she was not looking some of us took a ruler and measured

her stitches. We counted an average of 22 stitches on top!! When she

noticed what we were up to she came over and when we exclaimed "22

stitches per inch" she laughed and said "Oh, I can do better than that,

when I want to!" And I think she could.

Just received my

August American Patchwork and Quilting magazine yesterday and there is a

great article on Conversation prints by Xenia Cord. Lots of pictures of

19th century prints. Great article Xenia!

Laurette in rainy So. California

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To Bonnie about quilting frames.  I have a "Jasmine" frame that I bought

about 11 years ago and I love it!  It has the fancy scroll work on the

ends.  Mine has two rails - but I don't baste either.  I have quilted so

many quilts over the years on that frame.  I have three sets of rails

(old handrail stock - from the lumber yard - flat on one side).  So I

can quilt crib size to king size.

My DH is a home builder - but when he saw the ad for the frame - he said

"there you go" (as in - now I won't have to build you one).  The ad was

in Quilter's Newsletter Magazine.

Chris, in Michigan who still needs to plant the veggie garden (it's

roto-tilled though).

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ate: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 15:16:04 PDT

From: JuLee King <piecingitogether@hotmail.com>

To: QHL@cuenet.com

Sorry I haven't written back to the list before now to thank you guys for

all your information about becoming an appraiser. I don't have a computer in

my home and so I only have access to my e-mail about once a week. The

information I received was very helpful. I am even more motivated to get my

license now.

Thank you,

JuLee, in Utah

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:41:07 EDT

From: JBQUILTOK@aol.com

In a message dated 6/3/99 6:23:07 AM Central Daylight Time, ahubbard@usmo.com

writes:

<<  I honestly think when they said 20 stitches per inch in olden

 days, it would be 10 stitches per inch. When you consider machine stitching

 and how small the stitches are when you sew 20 stitches per inch, it would

 be impossible to handsew 20 stitches per inch by hand.

The fabric and batting make a huge difference in how small you can get your

stitches.  The looser the weave, the easier it is to get more stitches per

inch. 

Janet

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:48:54 EDT

From: JBQUILTOK@aol.com

In a message dated 6/3/99 8:27:00 AM Central Daylight Time,

tigersoup@lisco.net writes:

<< Re: dating quilts from Herrschner's magazines: I think the Herrschner's

 and LeeWards companies bought "remainder" stock from Progress,

 Homeneedlecraft, etc.  quilt kit companies. For example, the Progress

 #1365 "The Pansy" quilt kit was advertised in the Herrschner 1948/49

 catalog as "Pansy Design." It was again offered as "Perky Pansy" in

 LeeWards F/W 1960/61 catalog. >>

I agree that using the catalog is not 'proof' of the age of the quilt -

however, it can be used to put a kit into a date range.  If the pansy kit was

available in 1948, there's a temptation to date the quilt as 1948.  However,

if you also know it was available again in 1960, you've got a good reason to

take a closer look at the material, marking, etc.

It's all a mystery & much more interesting than TV murders that get solved in

an hour.

Janet

Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 22:08:41 -0400

From: Alan Kelchner <quiltfix@mail.jax.bellsouth.net

Don't forget the corsets - those mighty instruments of mass,

self-inflicted torture used in the name of beauty!  And I also seem to

recall reading that in extreme cases, the lowest pair of ribs was

sometimes removed to achieve the effect.

Alan

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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:25:51 -0400

From: "Judy Grow" <Judygrow@blast.net

I bought a nice late 19th century quilt today: unwashed, Rolling Stone

blocks, sashing with corner blocks,  in double pinks, Lancaster blue,

yellow, orange, and a brown and white border print for backing.  It has a

lovely triple cable  quilting pattern in the border.

The problem I need help with is -- onto the center square of each of 5 or 6

of the blocks, a slip of paper, perhaps 3/4" x 3 " is basted down with 1/2"

stitches in brown thread.  Each slip of paper has a different name written

on it in a beautiful copperplate script.

Even though the quilt is in perfect condition, the papers are not.  A few of

them are in tatters, ready to fall off completely.  Indeed, a number of the

other blocks have the brown basting thead with no papers left at all.  What

should I do to make sure that the paper signatures that are left do not

disintegrate any more?

My first thought was to tack bridal illusion down over the papers, but that

wouldn't really protect them from further shredding. My next thought was to

unstitch each one of them from the quilt, encase each one separately in

mylar and then stitch that back down in the appropriate place.  That would

put a shiny surface in those places that I don't think I would like.

I can't think of any other way  -- unless I fuse each piece of paper to

fusible interfacing and stitch it back on without any protective covering on

the front.  But then I would be forever changing the original, and I am

loathe to do that.

Can any of you bright lights think of any other way to preserve these names?

Judy in Ringoes, NJ

judygrow@blast.net

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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 05:03:18 -0400

From: Judy Kelius <judy@chesco.com>

Could you scan each one, print them onto transfer paper, press them onto

plain fabric, and then tack them to the appropriate squares? Then put the

originals in some kind of casing and tack it to the back of the quilt. This

would preserve the originals while being reversible, and the signatures

would "bend" with the quilt. You could do the same thing with new

photocopies, of course, but it seems they would also begin to disintegrate.

At 12:25 AM 6/7/99 , Judy Grow wrote:

>I bought a nice late 19th century quilt today: unwashed, Rolling Stone

>blocks, sashing with corner blocks,  in double pinks, Lancaster blue,

>yellow, orange, and a brown and white border print for backing.  It has a

>lovely triple cable  quilting pattern in the border.

>

>The problem I need help with is -- onto the center square of each of 5 or 6

>of the blocks, a slip of paper, perhaps 3/4" x 3 " is basted down with 1/2"

>stitches in brown thread.  Each slip of paper has a different name written

>on it in a beautiful copperplate script.

>

>Even though the quilt is in perfect condition, the papers are not.  A few of

>them are in tatters, ready to fall off completely.  Indeed, a number of the

>other blocks have the brown basting thead with no papers left at all.  What

>should I do to make sure that the paper signatures that are left do not

>disintegrate any more?

>

>My first thought was to tack bridal illusion down over the papers, but that

>wouldn't really protect them from further shredding. My next thought was to

>unstitch each one of them from the quilt, encase each one separately in

>mylar and then stitch that back down in the appropriate place.  That would

>put a shiny surface in those places that I don't think I would like.

>

>I can't think of any other way  -- unless I fuse each piece of paper to

>fusible interfacing and stitch it back on without any protective covering on

>the front.  But then I would be forever changing the original, and I am

>loathe to do that.

>

>Can any of you bright lights think of any other way to preserve these names?

>Judy in Ringoes, NJ

>judygrow@blast.net

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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:47:45 +0100

From: "Sally Ward" <sward@t-ward.demon.co.uk>

To: "QHL" <QHL@cuenet.com>

Subject: QHL: Small waists

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