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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 04:53:19 +0000

From: Susan Nixon <Desertskyworldnet.att.net>

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Quilting Long Ago

Message-ID: <19961216045302.AAC19798LOCALNAME>

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I believe it was Carolyn Davis who researched and wrote about the quilts of

an LDS woman in southern Utah. Pinedale, maybe? The woman, even into late

in the century, grew her cotton, carded it for batts, spun it for thread,

wove her own fabric, dyed her own fabric and used it for quilts. She also

tied her thread in knots and all the knots are on the back.

This woman was a genuine artist and I have seen one of her fabulous quilts.

It is well documented that she did all these things. There was no easy

access to the things we all take for granted, or that our grandparents took

for granted! I doubt she was the only woman to continue doing these things

well past the time we consider them outmoded. Women in many times and

places, when they lacked access to what they want, have figured out a way to

make it themselves.

Susan in Sunny Phoenix, Arizona, USA

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| | Mooory Christmas! Ho! Ho! Ho!

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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 22:23:54 -0700

From: "Mary E Scott" <mscott28cybertrails.com>

To: <QHLcuenet.com>, "Jean Ann" <quiltmagmindspring.com>

Subject: QHL: Re: hand carding

Message-Id: <199612151522.WAA23129 cybertrails.com>

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I also know that there was hand carding of cotton done well into the

depression years. I have a quilt (look at my webb page it is there) that

the batts in it are hand carded cotton. This quilt was put together in the

middle to late 30's. It was done in either Mumford or Obion, Tenn. I did

not realize that was what the batts were until some ladies told me. I know

there is a lot of cotton trash in the batts.

Mary Scott

mscott28cybertrails.com

http://inficad.com/~lightsp/suitee/index.html

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 03:41:05 -0500

From: QuiltLineaol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Re: QHL-Digest Digest V96 #13

Message-ID: <961216034104_874649702emout17.mail.aol.com>

To All,

If anyone can share any information with me regarding the responsibilities of

guest curating, I would really appreciate it.

Thanks,

Debbie

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 06:07:57 -0500

From: AJSNGSaol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Nine Patch News

Message-ID: <961216060756_609406185emout19.mail.aol.com>

Hi Everyone! I'm trying to subscribe to the Nine Patch News! I found an

online address through Jean Ann Eitel's webpage, but when I mail my subscribe

notification, the mail comes back! Anyone have any suggestions?

The address I used is: ListServListServaol.com. I've checked this more

than once. Also, when I posted a Help to QuiltBee, several people e-mailed

me because they would also like to subscribe.

Thank you in advance for your suggestions!

Nancy in Virginia

AJSNGSaol.com

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 06:47:50 -0500

From: AJSNGSaol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Questions...again!

Message-ID: <961216064748_776330157emout19.mail.aol.com>

Hi,

Forgive the BASIC questions once again! But what is paper piecing? And what

is foundation piecing or quilting (see I'm not even sure what it's called)?

I've heard these terms and am not sure what it is.

Thanks for your patience with a newbie.

Nancy in Virginia

AJSNGSaol.com

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 08:54:27 -0600

From: "Lang" <langwellsville.com>

To: <QHLcuenet.com>

Subject: QHL: "batting?"

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My mother grew up during the depression. She has always loved quilting. I

remember as a child hanging some of the "old" quilts she had made during

the depression years on the clothesline. When the sun would shine through

the quilt you could see the "batting". These quilts were filled with old

worn out clothes. Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without was

very true in those days!--Eula<langwellsville.com>

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 96 06:31:48 -0900

From: Nick Fuller <nickfxyz.net>

To: <QHLcue.com>

Subject: QHL: Re:Amish backs

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My mother has a quilt that she beleives is Amish. I don't know for sure,

but her aunt bought it from a neighbor and lived near Pennsylvania so it

is possible. The front is a very thin-strip log cabin of mostly calicos,

not Amishy except the wide brown border, which is quilted in an Amish

cable. The back is wide vertical stripes (8 to 10 inches maybe) of red,

blue, green, Amish tones. The back looked more Amish than the front! I

thought the striped effect was a neat way to do a back and plan to do

some myself this way. Now I can't verify that this quilt is Amish, but

for those just looking for a suitable style, I thought this might help.

If you're *really* interested I have pictures. Maybe after Christmas I'll

have time to design a webpage for them!

Abby Fuller

nickfxyz.net

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 11:36:37 -0500

From: gridgeesalgorithms.com (Merry May)

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Re: QHL-Digest Digest V96 #13

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Re: Rabbit's comments

I wholeheartedly agree with you, Rabbit, on your comments yesterday about

documenting what REALLY happened, as opposed to what we've been reading in

romantic accounts of quilt history for so many years. This is what the

American Quilt Study Group is trying to do - chip away at the hearsay, do

the research, and document what's really going on now. If you've never

heard of AQSG (not to be confused with AQS, the American Quilter's Society,

which publishes books and sells them at a discount), you can contact them

by e-mail at: aqsgaol.com

AQSG sponsors an annual seminar where original research papers are

presented. The papers are also published in an annual journal called

"Uncoverings." These journals are now widely accepted as resources in

libraries throughout the country (including college libraries). If you

contact AQSG, be sure to request a publications list along with your

membership application.

I can't claim to not be affiliated with AQSG, as I'm one of their Regional

Coordinators (volunteer position), but if you're at all interested in quilt

history, this is a very worthwhile group to be associated with. They're

also a very warm, friendly group - not snobby "egghead" types at all - so

everyone can really feel at home with them, no matter what your skill level

may be in quilt history. The overall impression I get is that we're ALL

still learning about this together!

Sorry to ramble on so long - the AQSG is one of my favorite organizations

to be involved in, and I hope to encourage everyone else who's interested

in finding out what REALLY happened in quilt history to join me!

Merry May

gridgeesalgorithms.com

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I live enar the Amish community of Middlefield, Ohio. And have met several

amish

quilters. The women here do all of their piecing by machine, and all of their

quilting by hand.

They may use the compressed air machines, but they also have a repairman who

can

turn any non-computerized machine into a treadle. They do a lot of treadle

sewing..

They use all the modern fabrics, and (if they are making items to sell),

will use

the popular prints. I am not sure what they choose to use for their own

quilts,

though (haven't asked).

I know several Amish women who love rotary cutters and other modern

time-savers.

The Amish are not against modernization. They are only against those things

which may break up and divide a community.

The most important woman in the Holmes county Amish community still "holds" by

the Amish beliefs. But she also has her own car (and driver), Lear jet (and

pilot) so she can travel around the world to get her business completed.

Mrs. Miller is a modern day Old Order Amish...

>

> Barb in southeastern PA

> <bgarrettfast.net>

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Date: 16 Dec 96 17:27:11 EST

From: Rabbit Goody <75444.1037CompuServe.COM>

To: "INTERNET:QHLcue.com" <QHLcue.com>

Subject: Re: QHL: Quilting Long Ago

Message-ID: <961216222711_75444.1037_FHQ32-1CompuServe.COM>

Thanks for the referrence Yes there certainly were women who did that but again,

we have to be creful not to generalize from them to the entire population of

1890. They were as you say genuine artists and need to be recognized as such. As

artists they hold a very special place and the understanding of textile process

gets tranferred and diffused into and out of a culture is very important to

understand their special place.

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Date: 16 Dec 96 17:27:14 EST

From: Rabbit Goody <75444.1037CompuServe.COM>

To: "INTERNET:QHLcue.com" <QHLcue.com>

Subject: Re: QHL: Re: hand carding

Message-ID: <961216222713_75444.1037_FHQ32-2CompuServe.COM>

can you show some documentation for "hand" carded batts? other than some ladies

said so? Thaty would be really important. Also, what happened in the depression

is not what happened in the 1840's or pre Civil War or 1890's. We know a great

deal about textile production in many places at many times it is extremely

regional and needs to be looked at regionally and in terms of different

socio-economic classes. What happened in one family living next another family

may have been quite different.

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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 06:25:12 -0600 (CST)

From: Amy Lauderdale <laallolemiss.edu>

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Re: QHL-Digest Digest V96 #14

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> I will look up the documentation after xmas...but I can tell you absolutely

> that there was hand carding of cotton for batts in the South well into the

> depression years.

I am new to the list and haven't seen this whole thread, but I can

say with certainty that it was done even past depression years. I am from

Mississippi and my grandmother lived in a community called "Swampers",

Louisiana. As a child I have seen her card cotton and I was born in 1953.

But she quit carding sometime during my youth.

I have some of her quilts made with flour sacks in the 30's and 40's,

which have this batting though.

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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 06:39:03 -0600 (CST)

From: Mary Jo Kennedy <KENNEDYACVAX1.Mankato.MSUS.EDU>

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: Re: QHL: Re: QHL-Digest Digest V96 #14

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I am also new to this list and very interested in quilting. I sure

wish I would have paid more attention to my grandmothers when they

were quilting - in the 1950s. Please explain what "carding" is.

Thank you.

Also, I noticed people don't sign their messages on this listserv,

why is that? Part of the fun of belonging to a listserv is finding

out where people are from and getting to know each other better.

Just a suggestion.

Mary Jo

from BRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Mankato, Minnesota

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Date: 17 Dec 96 09:54:57 EST

From: Rabbit Goody <75444.1037CompuServe.COM>

To: "INTERNET:QHLcue.com" <QHLcue.com>

Subject: Re: QHL: Re: QHL-Digest Digest V96 #14

Message-ID: <961217145456_75444.1037_FHQ66-4CompuServe.COM>

Thanks for the referrence

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Date: 17 Dec 96 09:54:58 EST

From: Rabbit Goody <75444.1037CompuServe.COM>

To: "INTERNET:QHLcue.com" <QHLcue.com>

Subject: Re: QHL: Re: QHL-Digest Digest V96 #14

Message-ID: <961217145457_75444.1037_FHQ66-5CompuServe.COM>

carding is the second step in preparation of short fibers such as cotton or wool

for spinning or making batts by the 1790's this could be accomplished by water

power although hand carding persisted in some areas for a long time in

conjunction with water power

Rabbit Goody 75444.1037 CompuServ.com textile historian

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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 20:08:48 -0500

From: Baglady111aol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Re: QHL-Digest Digest V96 #14

Message-ID: <961217200846_1820397948emout04.mail.aol.com>

Oh my goodness..so much has been going on while I have been held captive by

my old server..mesgs out there that I am trying to access..on several digests

I find such gret info..I'm happy to see Nancy of VA still asking great

questions..I am interested in th discussion going on about cotton carding

batt..also the 20 page bibliography on 'history' books..also glad to see two

of my members from the Feedsack Club inin posting such great info..I have a

BIG favor to ask..would it be possible to have Mary Persyn, Barb Garrett,

Susan Nixon (about Carolyn Davis) and all others who posted about Amish and

cotton carding PLEASE email me the posts on these subjects? Inturn, I have a

member who is an expert, and most passionate on cotton, and I know she would

be quite interested in sharing any info you might seek on cotton..also, Barb

Garrett, are you interested in the Amish in the Pgh area, actually, north of

Pgh? I thank you all. Sure have missed what has been going on..hope to

learn how to copy. new address is <baglady111aol.com> in Pittsburgh,

Pa..OLD address was bagladynauticom.net

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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 20:45:00 -0500

From: AJSNGSaol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: My newest old quilt

Message-ID: <961217204217_1255047514emout13.mail.aol.com>

Hi,

I bought an old quilt (c. 1930 Boutinere (sp?) pattern) in a medium bright

green with lovely prints all set on an off white background. The front is

pretty nice considering it's an orphan, but the binding is badly

deteriorating. The back is nasty, disgusting, etc. I saw that first and

didn't hesitate to throw it in the washer to soak. It was gross, and I

wasn't having it in my house until it was a bit cleaner! Anyway, I quickly

pulled out ALL my recent notes from QHL on washing quilts and believe me,

they are coming in handy.

Now, I would like suggestions on how to dress this quilt up. As I said, the

front is quite pretty--definitely worn but that's okay. The back is

yucky--looks like someone died on it! Well maybe I'm exagerating! Anyway, I

would like suggestions on how to put a new backing on it, and how to repair

the binding. Remember, you will be talking to a rank beginner! But this

quilt is something I do want to fix up.

So thanks in advance,

Nancy Sentipal in rainy Virginia

AJSNGSaol.com

Date: Tue, 17 Dec 96 22:35:43 EST

From: "Bob Mills" <decisiontigger.jvnc.net>

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Re: QHL-Digest Digest V96 #14

Message-Id: <decision.1201267783Ctigger.jvnc.net>

Hi Nancy in Virginia,

Paper piecing is drawing the pattern on paper and then sewing fabric to the

paper, rather than making templates. That is a very simplistic description.

I think you would really enjoy rec.crafts.textiles.quilting newsgroup. You

should be able to get that group and get the answers to many of your initial

questions.

Enjoy.

Jan (not Bob)

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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 23:15:27 PST

From: josiemtekstar.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Paper Foundation Piecing

Message-Id: <199612180514.XAA25112perham>

For Nancy and others who are interested there are a number of websites that

will give

you good information about patterns and How-tos.

Start out with the WWQP at http://ttsw.com/MainQuiltingPage.html, then visit

Mary Ann's Cyber Sewing Room at http://www2.nb.net/~maryann/ . Mary Ann has

great links to all the best foundation patchwork sites including Zippy

Publications,

producer of the Foundation Piecer Magazine at

http://www.other-world.com/ftp/QuiltersWeb/ZippyDesigns/index.html. Debby

Kratovil

also has great patterns and information at her website Quilter by Design

http://www.his.com/~queenb/index.html.

Most of these places will have patterns to run off on your printer and

instructions on how

to use them.

Paper foundation patchwork is, to me, a wonderful innovation in sewing

blocks. Because

you sew on the pattern, you get precise and perfect points and a perfect

sized block

every time. Lots of mini blocks are available but a number of books today

are published

with 10 - 12" blocks. Shirley Liby's books, Jane Hall and Dixie Haywood's

Firm

Foundations, plus many more will satisfy those piecers who want to use this

method with

larger blocks.

I would be happy to share anything further with anyone who wishes to write

me privately.

Jo in Minnesota

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 07:53:52 -0500 (EST)

From: Beth Ferrier <APPLEWDcris.com>

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Re: Old quilts for sale?

Message-Id: <199612181253.HAA08013cliff.cris.com>

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Merry Christmas all,

My husband's aunt has three old quilts that she is thinking about selling.

(No matter how longingly I caressed them, there appears to be no chance of

inheriting!) Being no way an expert, I guess that they are feedsack

creations. They are not intricate, rather utilitarian patchwork, but they

are in excellent condition. She would like to know where to sell them. I

wish I could tell her that they are worthless and offer her $30 for the lot!

My find this summer was a blue and white "T" block quilt. I believe it to

be a Temperance quilt. I would love to date the quilt. It is in rough

shape. It was $8, sold as a cutter! I washed it in Orvus in the bathtub,

dried it on the lawn in the shade. It's folded, good side out, on my hutch.

By they way, part of the binding has been burned! Oh, how I wish it could

talk!!

Thank you for this list. I live in an 1860 house and would like to fill it

with wonderful quilts, both old and new. I love history (though I wish I

had paid better attention in high school!). It's been fun learning the

history of this house.

Beth in Saginaw, MI

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 11:55:33 -0500

From: SadieRoseaol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Beyond the Myths- QH book

Message-ID: <961218114648_1954702178emout19.mail.aol.com>

I have been busy with holiday preparations, had 2 parties, one at my home,

on Monday. But, I took time to read each post on QHL....left the other e-mail

messages to catch up on later....love this group!! (Thanks, again, Kris!)

Thanks to Merry May for posting about the American Quilt Study Group. This

excellent organization has done much to encourage the research and discovery

of factual information on the history of quilts and their makers. They

published a book in 1994, "Quiltmaking in America- Beyond the Myths". This

book, edited by Laurel Horton, contains articles by 17 different authors,

which first appeared in the AQSG's annual publication, UNCOVERINGS. Here,

they are illustrated with color photographs, as well as b&w photos, maps, and

newspaper reproductions. The articles cover a variety of topics, divided

into 6 chapters: Pattern Development and Distribution, Quilts & Quiltmakers

in Early America, Wars & the Work of Women, Textiles and Tools, Group Quilts,

and Quiltmakers in the 20th Century.

The significant difference about the information in this book, is that it

is based on careful research, not on the myths about quilts and quiltmaking.

Many "facts" about quilt history started as one person's theory, but then

were repeated often enough to become accepted as fact. These generalizations

don't stand up when research from many areas is combined to create a more

accurate picture.

If you are interested in quilt history, or women's history, this is an

excellent book to add to your library. It was published by Rutledge Hill

Press, 1994, in hardcover, 192 pages, $34.95. ISBN# 1-55853-319-2 it should

be available through your local book store.

Karan Flanscha, from the deep freeze (-25 wind chills this morning!)

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 12:07:54 -0500

From: SadieRoseaol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: Re: QHL: Re: QHL-Digest Digest V96 #14

Message-ID: <961218114638_1389222498emout13.mail.aol.com>

Jane,

If you need some posts forwarded, I think I still have them all in my

incoming mail. Let me know. Sorry to be brief, have to leave for work :(

TTYL.....Karan

PS These are individual posts, I am not on Digest.

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 12:55:15 -0500

From: mgoodmanalbany.net (Mary Beth Goodman)

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Checking out a Signature Quilt

Message-Id: <v0213050aaedddfa7da0c[206.72.193.96]>

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Someone has written me (ah the price of being famous LOL) and asked for

advice about a signature quilt she recently bought - she wants to track

down the signatures and see if they are authentic - one is a President's

wife!

Any helpful hints I can pass along? I pointed her to the State

Museum/Library, which are probably pretty good resources but are

notoriously not very user friendly.....

and of course, I asked if she would like to display this quilt at our show!

Mary Beth Goodman, Coordinator

NYQuilts!

Quilts, Fairfield Fashion Show, vendors, lectures, classes!

June 7 & 8, 1997

Russell Sage College, Troy NY

http://www.albany.net/~mgoodman/NYQuilts.htm

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 14:49:30 -0500

From: "James M. Welch" <hawkcsionline.com>

To: qhlcue.com

Subject: QHL: old stain

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Hi everyone, I have a question for you. I had a customer come into the

shop and ask how to take what seems to be a water stain, brown streak,

out of a circa 1930's quilt top that had been given to her. She took it

to the dry cleaner's and when she saw the look on my face, she hastened

to tell me that they wouldn't touch it, they told her they would

probably make it worse. I suggested she wash it in the tub with Orvus

with a sheet under it and see how much that would take out. Any other

suggestions?

I am hoping that she will bring the two in she was given, just so I

can get a peek!

Debbie at QPs in NJ

t

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 13:55:02 -0600

From: R D <holmrexecpc.com>

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Ninepatch News

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Hi all,

I used to be on AOL for several years before changing providers last

summer. I wanted to keep getting the Ninepatch News, but I was told at

that time that you had to be on AOL to actually get the newsletter

mailed to you. However there were archives for the Ninepatch News that

could be accessed and you didn't have to be on AOL to get those.

Unfortunately I do not have that address any longer. Someone on AOL

should be able to access the quilters area, and easily get the current

scoop on the Ninepatch News and post it to this group.

Donna in Wisconsin

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 15:46:28 -0500

From: AJSNGSaol.com

To: QHLcue.com

cc: QuiltBeequilter.com

Subject: QHL: Thread Heads

Message-ID: <961218154611_641640101emout04.mail.aol.com>

Marilyn and others,

Personally I like the title "Thread Heads"! My DH calls me "Quilt Momma"

because our house has suddenly started filling up with old quilts, and tons

of mail about quilts! He collect train memorabilia and I call his fellow

collectors "Trainers". He subscribes to a listserv about trains, and we

compare notes about who is getting more e-mail. I have to tell you, quilters

win hands down.

Nancy in Virginia

AJSNGSaol.com

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Date: 18 Dec 96 17:32:12 EST

From: Rabbit Goody <75444.1037CompuServe.COM>

To: "INTERNET:QHLcue.com" <QHLcue.com>

Subject: Re: QHL: Checking out a Signature Quilt

Message-ID: <961218223211_75444.1037_FHQ56-3CompuServe.COM>

the census records are actually easy to use in a library and I never hesitate to

go straight to the research librarian and say Help but gazetteers and local

history collections are usually very helpful. Geneological information is of

course available from the Mormons on line and through their great network. At

least if a President's wife name is on it you can date and place it remarkable

well yes.

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 19:52:30 -0500

From: Baglady111aol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: Re: QHL: old stain

Message-ID: <961218185332_68342306emout12.mail.aol.com>

you are probably going to shudder..so sit down, prepare yourself..years ago a

gal in Bronxville, NY told me this..she used Axion in her bathtub and cold

water..she did not use the sheet to support it..good idea tho..anyway, she

would soak an antique quilt in cold water and Axion for a week to two..RAVED

about the results..naturally she would not wring the quilt/top but press the

water, rinse, begin again for that week or so..I hae no idea the results of

what they look like today..but that was HER method!! Jane

(baglady111aol.com> those 111's are ones..

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 20:26:13 -0500

From: Baglady111aol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: Re: QHL: Checking out a Signature Quilt

Message-ID: <961218170157_975724615emout11.mail.aol.com>

WOW!!! HOW EXCITING..last year. RITA BARBER of QUILTERS' HERITAGE

CELEBRATION shindig in Lancaster, Pa had signature quilts as their main

theme..bet she could help..ditto, Brenda Groelz is very knowledgeable.. plus

Jinny Beyer at jbstudiointer-look.com..Brenda is at

bgroelzhamilton.net..can't lay my hands on Rita's right now..I can also go

thru my American Quilt Study Group roster and see who specializes in

signature quilts..can't wait to see how this all goes..Jane

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:25:04 -0500

From: Linda Stormo <lstormomail.nasboces.org>

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Bibliograpies

Message-Id: <9612191425.AA04910mail.nasboces.org>

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A note for those of you who are interested in bibliographies: there's a web

site for fiction books about quilts, quilters, and patchwork at:

http://www.nmt.edu/~breynold/quiltfiction.html#F

There are two categories, adult and children's literature. Some books might

interest those of you on the list as they are probably based on some

historical facts.

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 11:16:07 -0500

From: QuiltFixeraol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: Re: QHL: old stain

Message-ID: <961219111606_875165435emout08.mail.aol.com>

I have just sucessfully washed a 1930's quilt by soaking it in warm water and

BIZ for 10 minutes two times. Washed in a gentle soap on delicate. Rinsed 3

times. All this in the washing machine. Some of the brown water stains are

still there but greatly faded out. The colors are much brighter and fresher.

Whole quilt looks much better.

Toni Baumgard

QuiltFixeraol.com

>From beautiful Spring Lakes on the Central California Coast, where the frost

is like snow this a.m.

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 14:27:51 -0200

From: "Barry A. Cruikshank" <barrycinjersey.com>

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Subscribing to NinePatchNews by non-AOL members

Message-Id: <3.0.32.19961219142746.006ce438injersey.com>

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Send e-mail to "NINEPATCH-requestLISTSERV.AOL.COM"

Barry Cruikshank

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 14:07:10 -0800

From: ADELAIDE LEWIS <allstyx.ios.com>

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Paper/Foundation Piecing

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Foundation piecing is using a pattern drawn or printed on paper or cloth

(muslin) as a base to which the quilt fabric is sewn. It is sometimes

referred to as "sew and flip". The first piece of fabric is placed right

side up on the foundation; the second piece is placed along one edge of

Piece 1, right sides together, a 1/4-inch seam is sewn along the raw

edges; Piece 2 is then flipped over so the right side side up; Piece 3 is

then aligned with the edge of Piece 2, right sides together, the seam is

sewn, and Pice 3 is flipped so its right side shows (etc., etc.). This

method is sometimes also called "string" piecing.

In paper piecing, on the other hand, pieces of paper the size and shape

of your finished block pieces are cut. The fabric is cut 1/4" larger

than the paper pattern and the fabric is placed right side up over the

paper. The fabric edges are turned under and based in place. After the

block pieces are all based to their paper bases, they are joined to each

other by whip stitching the edges of the block pieces together. When the

block is completely sewn together, the basting stitches are removed and

the paper patterns separated from the fabric. The paper patterns can be

used more than once. The Grandmother's Flower Garden pattern and some

star patterns are often done using this method.

(After re-reading this explanation, I'm not at all sure I can understand

what I just explained -- hope it makes some sense to others out there.)

Adelaide (In New York City, where the Rockefeller Center tree looks just

beautiful in the rain)

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:12:45 -0500

From: quiltmagmindspring.com (Jean Ann)

To: QHLcuenet.com

Cc: PamNanaaol.com, Micki411aol.com

Subject: QHL: Nine Patch news

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Hey you guys! wait a minute...<giggle>

I mean, I only linked this page to mine as a favor to the AOL quilt forum

that has always treated me like yesterday's leftovers they never wanted in

the first place anyway!

I have absolutely no connection to the AOL Quilt Forum. Their Choice. They

asked me to link their Nine Patch News website and I did. My Choice. If

their page isn't operational. their problem. not mine.

I have copied this email to the two people at AOL Quilt Forum who should be

able to fix their web site so you can subscribe to the Nine Patch News.

I frankly never liked the Nine Patch News, but then I quit subscribing to

it at least a year ago, and long before PamNana took over as the editor.

I am sure it has changed, and I have always liked PamNana, which is why,

when she asked if they could be linked to my page, i linked it.

However...if it ain't fixed so you can subscribe in a week....when I do my

up-dates, off it goes. I get enough email without working on something to

do with the AOL quilt forum that has let me know over and over again that I

am persona non gratis.....

so...email PamNanaaol.com or Micki411aol.com please!

Jean Ann Eitel

America's Favorite Quilter

http://www.quiltmag.com

Let's Talk Quilting: dal.net IRC - /join #quilttalk

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 17:20:16 -0500

From: quiltmagmindspring.com (Jean Ann)

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: Re: hand carding

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Rabbit says:

>can you show some documentation for "hand" carded batts? other than some ladies

>said so? Thaty would be really important. Also, what happened in the

>depression

>is not what happened in the 1840's or pre Civil War or 1890's. We know a great

>deal about textile production in many places at many times it is extremely

>regional and needs to be looked at regionally and in terms of different

>socio-economic classes. What happened in one family living next another family

>may have been quite different.

Documentation is word of mouth from grandmother to daughter to

granddaugter. It is good enough for me as oral history is every important

and revered in the South. If that is not good enough for you, then fine.

Jean Ann Eitel

America's Favorite Quilter

http://www.quiltmag.com

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 20:53:24 -0500

From: quiltmagmindspring.com (Jean Ann)

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: more about old blocks

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Jean -- can you explain what you mean by sewing old blocks over

muslin?

I bought 13 very small fan blocks that were pieced over muslin fabric much

like we piece fabric over paper today. Only we remove the paper after the

blocks are sewed. The muslin stays there to stabilize the fabrics. The

fabrics in my blocks are silks, etc. fancy fabrics.

Also, points meeting on old blocks? almost never. I just add sashings

between the blocks and dont worry about the points. if they get chopped

off, it is okay. I often sew with 1/8" seams instead of 1/4". I have seen

many old quilts with 1/8" seams. this doesnt chop the points off too much.

Jean Ann Eitel

America's Favorite Quilter

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Date: 19 Dec 96 21:06:09 EST

From: Rabbit Goody <75444.1037CompuServe.COM>

To: "INTERNET:QHLcue.com" <QHLcue.com>

Subject: Re: QHL: Re: hand carding

Message-ID: <961220020609_75444.1037_FHQ57-2CompuServe.COM>

Jean Ann Eitel's comment about whether oral history is good enough or not good

enough brings up avery important point about what documentation of historic

process is and how we can use documentation of historic process to understand

the wider culture. Oral history is extremely important and things past down

are the way we learn about the past by documentation what I mean is referrence

that we can then look at the larger group so for instance when someone says

past down from mother to daughter etc I want to know more about the mother and

daughter. I want to know who they were where they were what surrounded them etc

how does it all fit together. The fact that hand technology ( hand carding) in

this case continues long after we expect it to in some areas tells us alot

about individuals preferrences, about the influence of culture about all the

things that transcend the quilt and make quilting more important. That is why we

ask for and want referrence and documentation so that we can better understand.

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 18:28:19 -0800 (PST)

From: Michele Weise <michelepeppertreestudios.com>

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: freezing fabrics

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Hi everyone,

I just finally had a minute to read over some old mail and Julie Gardner

had a question about freezing dust mites. Here is a message that was sent

to me last spring. I think it's really interesting and good info.

te: Fri, 3 May 96 10:31 PDT

X-Sender: jgibsoncrash.cts.com

To: Michele Weise <michelepeppertreestudios.com>

From: jgibsoncts.com (Judy Gibson)

Subject: Re: moths eradication

Michele:

Textile conservation is a bit out of my line--my professional responsibility

is the care of dried plant specimens, and my museum does not "do"

ethnological collections. So, since you have a serious textile conservation

need (unlike most of the knitlist, who are merely interested in keeping

their sweaters from being munched), I think you should consult with the

best experts in the field.

The first place I would try would be the Textile Museum in Washington,

D. C. I have just looked around and I don't seem to have their gift shop

catalog any more, so can't give you an address. But someone there should

be able to point you in the right direction, and they probably sell some

books that will give you the answers you need. Or call any major museum

with textile collections; someone should be able to tell you who to

talk to.

As to the wooden boxes, I don't know what the insect is--probably some

kind of beetle--but freezing should be able to solve that one. I froze

some Mexican weavings that had been hung on sticks, when the sticks

developed the symptoms you describe. Both sticks and weavings came through

just fine. Of course, I'd spent about ten dollars on them, so it wasn't

much of a risk. To be extra careful, try it first with a wooden box you're

not too attached to. Seal them in a plastic bag before putting them in

the freezer (to keep scraped-off frost from getting on them), and leave

them in the bag until they return to room temperature so they don't pick

up moisture from the air. The freezer should reach -20 degrees Celsius

(zero, Fahrenheit) if possible, and should not be a frost-free type, since

these have a warming cycle to remove frost. The objects should stay at

the low temperature for three or more days. I usually freeze things for

a week, but this is mostly for the convenience of knowing that I unload

and load the freezer on Mondays.

We have a chest-type household freezer in our department that we use

for bundles of dried plants, and from time to time our education and

exhibits departments use it to freeze taxidermied mounts--wood, plaster,

mounted animal, acrylic case, and all--when they have any sort of insect

problem. In six years in this job I've never seen damage to any item due

to the freezing process.

I have a book I bought about twenty years ago on textile conservation.

It's published by Watson-Guptill, the art publishers, so maybe it's still

available. It might not be the most up-to-date source of information,

but it is very thorough:

Caring for Textiles

Karen Finch O.B.E. and Greta Putnam

Watson-Guptill, New York. 1977.

ISBN 0-8230-0564-X

It talks about storage, display, repair, restoration, and washing of

museum-quality textile objects, chiefly garments and tapestries.

Well, I just sat down to write you a short note referring you to other

people, and look what happened! I hope this points you in the right

direction. Good Luck!

--Judy

Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 22:54:54 -0500

From: quiltmagmindspring.com (Jean Ann)

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: oral history

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so you are saying that oral history, stories handed down from one

generation to the next...is acceptable documentation.

When i say *oral history* i am talking of something more formal than family

gossip. I am talking about stories that have been memorized and repeated

very much word for word. They are stories that have become part of a family

identity.

They are the kind of stories that the younger members of the family roll

their eyes at cause they know they are going it hear whatever it is again,

word for word....but then it gets memorized, whether they like it or not.

and some day, when they are older, they will tell the story word for word

too....and their children will roll their eyes.

I have some pictures of old quilts with hand carded cotton in them. I have

the stories that go with them. After xmas I will share with the list. Right

now, i need to think about starting my shopping.

On the lighter side.....Oral history very important in the South..we

couldn't buy paper and pencil after Sherman marched through...too poor! LOL

Jean Ann Eitel

America's Favorite Quilter

http://www.quiltmag.com

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Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 23:12:12 -0500

From: AJSNGSaol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Oral history

Message-ID: <961219231211_2086158941emout09.mail.aol.com>

I would just like to add my 2 cents (if it's worth that much!).

I don't know diddly about handcarding but I've listened with interest to

Rabbit and Jean Ann's conversation about proper documentation.

Wasn't a great deal of our history handed down orally for many many years?

Most people did this didn't they? I would imagine that a great many of our

ancestors didn't have access to books, paper, pencils, etc. like we do. And

even if they did have access to this stuff, could they write, or read?

Just something to think about.

Nancy in Virginia where it snowed tonight.

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 01:09:30 -0500

From: SadieRoseaol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: Re: QHL: Oral history

Message-ID: <961220010929_1355924980emout01.mail.aol.com>

>From my perspective, oral histories are very interesting...but not always

factual. Some of those stories "get a little better" or get embellished as

they are told and retold.

When we do "quilt identification days" (based on the state research

project, and using similar forms and techniques), we invariably get someone

claiming their quilt is 150 years old, when it obviously is a depression era

quilt. Often, if you gently lead the conversation along, you can get them to

concede that this quilt was made by "grandma" who didn't live in the 1840's.

Usually, they become quite interested in how you can estimate the age of the

quilt based on the fabric prints and/or colors.

We always have Barbara Brackman's "Clues in the Calico" on hand, which is

an excellent reference and supports our estimate of the quilt's age. We

encourage them to go to older family members, to see if anyone can add more

information on the quilt or it's possible maker. We try to be very

positive and do our best to educate these quilt owners...but once in while

you get someone who is very obstinate and vocal.

I had to deal with one woman who brought in a depression era quilt, which

was very obviously newly quilted, with a polyester batt!! She insisted she

had watched her mother and grandmother quilt this in the 1930's....(too bad

when the facts get in the way of a good story). You could still see some of

the blue washable marker that hadn't washed out....plus the polyester

batting....didn't add up to a 1930's quilt. She may very well have watched

someone piece the top...we finally quietly filled out the form, stating "old

top, newly quilted". Maybe someone else in the family had a top similar to

the quilt she remembered (this was an unusual design)- and had it quilted,

then passed along to her. Who knows....not worth a public row....but another

reason to encourage everyone to SIGN and DATE your quilts!!

Karan from frigid Iowa.....-8 degrees and dropping!!

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 06:44:24 -0500

From: Baglady111aol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: Re: QHL: Oral history

Message-ID: <961220064422_370551452emout07.mail.aol.com>

In adding to Nancy in VA and Jean Ann in GA, I have a residence in Floyd, VA,

a very mt, rural area..word of mouth history is the GOSPEL. Many of my

stories I tell on how quilt patterns were named is oral history that came

'from my mama, who was told by HER mama, and so on. Nancy mentions not being

able to read or write. I recall Barbara Brackman's paper presented at the

American Quilt Study GRoup's seminar in Linclon NE about 4 yrs or so ago

about our pioneer women heading west..Did they quilt?? NO diaries were

found, no letters, no signs of correspondence..BUT, as Pat Cox of MN

commented..WHAT ABOUT THE WOMAN WHO COULD'NT WRITE? Did she quilt but

couldn't write, but would pass along what we call oral history to HER

children/relatives? Floyd is in excellent example of this because there are

still folks there that can't write their name but use an 'x'. Sad but true.

As Sadie Rose posts abut embellishing on stories..absolutely..we do it

today..but the base of the story is there. Folklore, isn't that close to our

discussion? Storytellers, who went from village to village were also a form

of oral history. Jane in Pgh where some of that VA snow blew in..

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 06:56:39 -0500

From: AJSNGSaol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Amish summer quilts

Message-ID: <961220065639_1619960064emout19.mail.aol.com>

Hi,

Karan from Iowa (in a post a week or so ago) mentioned the Amish had blue and

white summer quilts. I'd love to hear more about these quilts. Are they

easy to find? Or are these something that we "English" would have a

difficult time coming across? And why did they make them in blue and white?

Just interested.

Nancy in Virginia where it is 19 degrees. (Excuse me, but you dear people up

North can take this weather BACK!)

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 06:59:59 -0500

From: "Perry C. Trimble" <trimblepindy.net>

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Pattern

Message-ID: <32BA7FBF.7ADEindy.net>

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Good morning, Everyone!

I have a question, please. A dear friend of mine was sent a box of

items from her mother's house. Inside the box was a packet of appliqued

blocks. These blocks are in 2 sizes, about 9" and 12" squares. They're

very simple - appliqued tulips outlined in blanket stitches on

unbleached muslin. The flower part is a solid color, the stems and

leaves match on each block and are of the 1930s-looking era (turquoise,

pink, salt-water taffy colors with flowers and hearts on them). I'd

like to make a quilt for my friend out of these blocks (I bought some

reproduction fabric that looks right), but would like some suggestions

on patterns to use as sashing and borders (I think scrappy) that would

fit the time period. This friend, BTW, has absolutely no idea of how to

love a new quilt (as opposed to an old one) - she lets her dog lie on

them! If she can't promise to keep the doxie off of it after it's done,

I'm going to offer to buy it from her!!!

TIA,

Marilyn Trimble

trimblepindy.net

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 08:13:57 -0800

From: Rayna Gillman <RG2worldnet.att.net>

To: trimblepindy.net

CC: QHLcue.com

Subject: Re: QHL: Pattern

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Thirties quilts tend to have either solid sashing (i.e.*that* green or

depression orange) with corner blocks, or feedsack-type sashing.

Borders tend to be the same.

Question: why on earth would you want to put all that work into a quilt

for someone who obviously doesn't appreciate quilts?? Why don't you

just offer to buy the blocks from her and make the quilt for yourself?

If she doesn't value new quilts, much less old ones, chances are that

you'll do all that work and she'll stick it in a chest somewhere (which

is better than having the dog lie on it). Breaks my heart to think

about it.

Rayna in NJ

RG2worldnet.att.net

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 09:58:09 -0500

From: quiltmagmindspring.com (Jean Ann)

To: QHLcuenet.com, trimblepindy.net

Subject: QHL: a good book i just got...

Message-Id: <v01540b01aee0590ab68b[168.121.76.43]>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

hi....trimble asked for a good book on quilt history/sociology. here is one

i just got to review.

Hearts and Hands, Women, Quilts and American Society

by Elaine Hedges, Pat Ferrero, Julie Silber

it is the companion book to Pat Ferrero's award winning film, Hearts and Hands

by Rutledge Hill Press, 211 Seventh Avenue North, Nashville, TN 37219

Jean Ann Eitel

America's Favorite Quilter

http://www.quiltmag.com

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 10:45:45 -0500

From: JQuiltaol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Like a feather in the wind

Message-ID: <961220104542_1820786370emout18.mail.aol.com>

I have reached a stage of enlightment which allows me to truly enjoy the

journey and not the goal. Mostly because I find "reached goals" are so

momentary and sometimes so far removed from the vision of them; that I

realize the journey was a lot more satisfiying.

For instance, when I am creating a quilt.....I love trying to define in

fabric what I had in my fantasy....Piecing the squares and triangles to form

a colorful little block...Then stacking them, each one an accomplishment, all

of them waiting in joyful anticipation of becoming the "soon to be quilt

"...Laying out the blocks for the first time and seeing my vision start to

form... Sewing the blocks in rows and listening to the heavy sound of the

full fledged fabric, of swirling colors and lines....The borders, the

batting, the quilting or tying, and then.... the binding put on, with

trembling and excitement.....The little label that tells me, I did this and

when...Sleeping under it, before anyone else, and feeling the warmth of my

hands, that cut and sewed each piece, comfort me.....The joy of creation and

fulfillment that fills my body and soul...

Whatever happens to the quilt from that warm delicious moment doesn't really

concern me...

I send it out like a "feather on the wind" hoping that it will delight

someone's eyes and heart...that they will feel my fingers in the

stitches...But that's beyond the sphere of my creating....And so I just let

it go....

I never cease to be thankful that I have eyes that are able to see and

fingers that are able to sew...

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Jean

jquiltaol.com

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 11:25:43 -0500

From: SadieRoseaol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: Re: QHL: a good book i just got...

Message-ID: <961220112525_1720969612emout01.mail.aol.com>

I just received the Winter 1996 issue of "Blanket Statements", the

quarterly newsletter of the American Quilt Study Group. In the "News of

Members" column, there is a paragraph:

"Julie Silber, Pat Ferrero, and Elaine Hedges have released a second

edition of their book HEARTS AND HANDS, published by Rutledge Hill Press in

October with a new preface by Elaine."

As mentioned by Jean, this book is a companion to the movie HEARTS AND

HANDS.

Stay warm!! Karan

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 96 11:56:52 PST

From: Sharon Harleman Tandy <harlemanmicron.net>

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: RE: QHL: a good book i just got...

Message-ID: <Chameleon.961220122737.harlemanharleman.micron.net>

Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii

Dear QHL companions, Just saw Jean Ann's comment on Hearts and Hands: Women,

Quilts and American Society, and I whole heartedly agree. It is the one

book, among perhaps a dozen or more, that convinced my professors that Quilt

History was a legitimate subject for a Masters. But, let me back up and do

my intro.

I am a 56 year old woman, wife (married 34 years come January 20th, to the

same man, Charlie) mother, grandmother living in Boise, Idaho. We've been

here for 19 years and now feel "rooted" here. We have two grown sons, one

married, one not and so very lucky that they both live in Boise. We include

a wonderful daughter-in-law, a thirteen year old granddaughter (going on 39,

you know) and a six year old grandson who has just started kindergarten.

At the age of 41, when our sons were in high school, I went back to school,

got my Bachelors Degree in Fine Arts, fooled around for a couple of years

searching for a direction, found the MIS program and embarked on my masters

in Quilt History. The Masters of Interdisciplinary Studies Program is a

wonderful way of tailoring graduate study to a person's search for a niche

particularly their own. Anyone desiring more information on such a program

with hopes of installing one in a local university, snail me Sharon

Harleman Tandy, Quilts & Answers, 11602 Reutzel Drive, Boise, Idaho,

83709-4405, and I will send copies of info. I especially encourage women to

create their own programs tailored to their chosen fields. In my fledgling

business, Quilts & Answers, I examine, date, record, and research quilts and

textiles for a modest fee. I travel the Northwest lecturing on how we find

American Women's history in the quilts, on the documentation process (we

still have no state regis!

!

tration project in place, which I hope to have a part in), and on various

techniques of special help to quilters. Of course, I collect quilt history

books, state project books, and textile history books. I just finished

reading *Indigo Textiles: Technique and History* by Gosta Sandberg, pub. by

Lark Books, Asheville, NC, 1989. Indigo is a special interest of mine and

this book lavishly fulfilled some of my fantasies about working with indigo,

and answered lots of questions. It frightens me to contemplate just what I

might do to own ten yards of the fabric the man is wearing who is pictured

on page 60. By the way, my special era of interest is the 1800's, largely

because there are so few 1700's quilts and textiles available for

examination/research here in the Northwest and because my own collection is

primarily from that time period. I have done two small research projects at

museums, one in Boise and one in Spokane, WA, for graduate work credit.

Would love to do much m!

!

ore of that type of work with an eye toward publishing, eventually. I'm sure

this is long enough already, but wanted to say, Kris, this is wonderful. I

feel connected to a world I was only vaguely aware of, the world of quilt

and textile historians, and I am in touch with them every day, sharing and

accepting not only knowledge but differing views and making friends. Thank

you, Kris, from a *newbie*, Sharon Harleman Tandy in, as of this am, snowy,

snowy Boise.

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 96 12:29:37 PST

From: Sharon Harleman Tandy <harlemanmicron.net>

To: SadieRoseaol.com, QHLcuenet.com

Subject: Re: QHL: a good book i just got.+and its companion film...

Message-ID: <Chameleon.961220123308.harlemanharleman.micron.net>

Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Sadie Rose and all others, Just where can I rent, borrow, buy (I *could* get

desperate!) the companion film to Hearts and Hands? TIA, Sharon in Boise.

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 12:39:59 -0700

From: kmccoyglenerin.com (Kay McCoy)

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Introduction

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Coming out of "lurkland" to wish you Happy Holidays and introduce myself.

I'm very new at learning about old quilts but need to because:

I have 9 "old" quilts which I have inherited. One is a postage stamp size

pieced that was done by my husband's great-grandmother when she was in her

90's and almost blind. The top isn't very square but it's remarkable when

you realize the work that went into it. Another utility top by her which is

mostly sentimental in value. My MIL was going to trash them when I rescued

them! She now claims she had no intention of dumping them and hints every

once in a while for me to give them to her daughters--but I won't. She had

her chance and my husband deserves them as much as they do. Neither of them

quilt or sew anyway. I also have 3 cathedral windows, one done by my aunt

(she's 91), one started by my mother and finished by this aunt, and one by

her daughter, my cousin who died at 50 yrs. old. A candlewicked one by the

same cousin, 2 appliqued ones, which are showing signs of deterioration and

I don't really know what to do with them, done by ladies at the turn of the

century (both long dead) that my sister and I were named after, and finally

the double wedding ring my grandmother made for the first marriage among

her grandchildren--turned out to be me even though I wasn't the oldest. The

quilt lasted, the marriage didn't!!!! Fortunately I now have a DH who

indulges my quilting habit with pleasure.

Katie in Colorado

"A Quilting Sew & Sew"

kmccoyglenerin.com

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 17:01:54 -0500

From: Ricki Maietta <rmaiettacsrlink.net>

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: various subjects

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Caught up reading this list & wanted to comment on several subjects:

Back of Amish quilts - had an early 1900's wool Amish in the antique show I

guest curated last year (local museum), & the back was brown, also wool but

lighter weight, & light & dark threads woven - not gingham, much smaller

design. This quilt was also intense "grass" green & purple - quilting

absolutely fantastic!

My questions - where does one find this type of wool nowadays? It was so

soft & drapey. I've often thought of replicating the 18th C. whole cloths

that are waxed or pressed, or somehow made shiny (anyone know how?). Where

to find that type of fabric, again????

I did meet an Amish woman while perusing the quilt show in Boyertown, PA

about 10 years ago. Got to talking. She told me that when they make quilts

to sell to the "English", they have bees & lots of people quilt on them.

When they make quilts for themselves, one person makes one quilt, alone,

start to finish. She said they considered them heirlooms & do their best

quilting, not necessarily their best on the quilts to sell. Did not think

to ask if the fabrics or designs were different! Must remember - one person

you talk to does not speak for the group.

Laughed when someone said their house was piling up with quilts. I have 3

antique quilts/tops in my basement laundry room that my DH doesn't even know

about yet! And - I saw 2 fantastic Penny Square spreads (red embroidery on

white) at a local antique shop last week, & I want one really bad!!! One

was dated 1884 & was $275, the other was less elaborate (didn't see a date)

& was $120. I'd better not tary, they will be snatched up I am sure.

Jane & others interested in feed sacks, I am almost finished quilting a feed

sack Boston Common the lady said her grandmother made in the 1940's. There

is one fabric that caught my eye - a military motif - war years? This quilt

has been a real problem in the borders - it's so stretched out that I have

had to applique "tucks" to make the border lie flat enough to quilt. I

hated doing it - otherwise it is in perfect condition. But all those feed

sack squares on point just stretched over the years, & I didn't know how

else to handle it. Anyone else had this happen?

Ricki in PA

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 17:02:02 -0500

From: Ricki Maietta <rmaiettacsrlink.net>

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: looking for . . .

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Does anyone know if Sandi Fox, author of Small Endearments, has an e-mail

address. I would like to contact her with a question. Please privately answer.

TIA

Ricki in PA

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 18:17:30 -0500

From: Baglady111aol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: Re: QHL: various subjects

Message-ID: <961220181331_1322578630emout02.mail.aol.com>

Ricki, first off, the 'war' fabric..there is a wonderful piece that has alot

of World War II on it,mine is done in red/blue/on white depicting Guam,

Bataan, Flying Tigers, MacArthur, ChurchHill, Stalin, battleships, The Malta

sign..when it is exhibited men stand by the hour and look at it, studying it,

and I'm guessing reliving it..a lady did a quilt with red/white/blue

borders..marvelopus piece of nostalgia for those of us who remember that

era..

As to the flimsy feedsacks..just as we have the closer thread count and

lesser today, so did the sacks. Depending on what was being stored in

them..if flour, sugar, salt, etc..the thread count was much like your percale

pillowcases on your bed today..If nuts, apples, beans, peas, etc, a much

looser weave..sacks like this need stablizing..or 'tucking' as you are doing.

Would enjoy seeing a photo of it when completed with any history you can

share ie: owner, location, etc..The Feedsack Club has alot of albums that are

historical records of what is still with us..Jane in COLD pittsburgh..brrrr

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 19:59:20 -0500

From: QRestoreaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Fabric Search

Message-ID: <961220195914_1921520179emout11.mail.aol.com>

I'm {{(desperately)}} looking for approximately 7 yards of fabric from the

"Rising Sun" Smithsonian Collection. It's the light blue print on a beige

background, a toile design, floral and birds. There are no other colors

other than blue on a beige background.

I've contacted several of my sources with no luck. Unsure if RJR has any or

will reprint any. Anyone know how to contact RJR? Anyone have any in their

stash?

Victoria Montgomery (Boise, ID with 8" of snow and still snowing)

QRestoreaol.com

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 21:33:28 -0500

From: Laurajbraol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: Re: QHL: Fabric Search

Message-ID: <961220213328_1121291036emout20.mail.aol.com>

I know they won't reprint it as it was a one-time deal. I made a whig rose

out of the reds and greens in the Rising Sun collection. A friend of mine

managed to locate several yards of one of the prints about a month ago so

they are still out. Try that Mary Jo's in Gastonia, NC. (e-mail me if you

need the number.) My freind just called every quilt shop she oculd and

finally loated her fabric. Good luck! Laura in Tampa

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 22:46:02 -0600

From: R D <holmrexecpc.com>

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: New book by Barbara Brackman

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Hi All,

The following letter was posted to another quilting group that I belong

to. I thought the information would be interesting to our group, so I

asked Julie for permission to reprint it. Julie said yes. It turns out

she's a new member of our group! Lucky us!! Welcome Julie!

She is also going to pass on information about our group's existance to

Barbara Brackman. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could get her online

with us?!! I am definately interested in this new book. I'm sure that

others will be too so, Julie, please keep us posted.

Donna in Wisconsin

Here's Julie's letter:

From: Julie Swords <juliesKUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU>

Subject: Civil War Quilt Book (long)

Hello from the frozen Plains!

Just wanted to share with IQ'ers some tidbits from our local guild's

meeting Tuesday. IQ member Karla Menaugh was also in attendance. We had

a

good time even if it was about 10 degrees outside, not counting the

effects

of a brisk wind.

Instead of the usual monthly guest expert we all shared recent projects

and

Christmas presents in one long show and tell. This was made especially

interesting because two of our guild members, Barbara Brackman and Terry

Thompson, showed all the quilts they have just had photographed for

their

upcoming book on Civil War Quilts. The quilts made especially for this

book

are based on Civil War quilts made both in the north and south. Some of

the

new quilts were made by area guild members; others were made by other

talented women all around the country. The new quilts were all on hand

at

once here in Lawrence, Kansas, because the photography for the book was

done here the week before. So, lucky us, we got to see them all up

close.

The book will show and tell all about the various kinds of quilts made

around the time of the Civil War. Included will be at least 20 projects

with full instructions. All the project quilts are directly based on

quilts

typical of the time. Some are pieced only; some feature wonderful

applique

designs.

Barbara has been researching and lecturing about this subject for some

time

so she has a tremendous base of knowledge. There will also be a great

amount of historical background about what kind of quilts were made, how

they were used, the colors and fabrics, how political sentiments were

often

prominently featured in the design through words and art, etc.

The guild has heard Barbara's talks on the subject and the stories are

fascinating so the book should be great as well. If you have ever heard

Barbara lecture, you know she is as interested in telling about the

people

who made the quilts and their stories as she is about describing the

quilts

themselves.

She said her copy deadline comes up right after Christmas and the book

is

tentatively scheduled to be published in October. I don't know who the

publisher is. If any of you have a particular interest in this era of

quilting let me know and I'll post more details as I learn them.

We were also privileged to see three very, very old quilts Terry is in

the

process of appraising. They are so old, in such incredibly great shape,

and

feature such remarkable quilting techniques that the process of

appraisal

will take some time. One of the quilts dates from around 1820. From a

distance it looks like it has a rose-colored floral fabric border about

10

inches wide. However, Terry says the border was stamped on with the red

ink

and huge wooden stamps, one stamp block at a time around the outside of

the

quilt. The other two were probably from right after the Civil War. The

intricate quilting designs (many of them trapunto-stuffed) were

breath-taking. The quilts have been passed down through a family so the

makers are known...isn't that nice for a change?!

I hope everyone has a wonderful holiday season!

Best wishes from Julie Swords in very, very cold northeast Kansas

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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 10:29:00 -0500

From: AJSNGSaol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Happy Holidays

Message-ID: <961221102900_676393008emout02.mail.aol.com>

Hi Everyone,

I wanted to wish everyone here a very happy holiday. If you are traveling,

drive carefully so that you can join us after the holidays! And for the rest

of you staying home during the holidays, I hope you are spending it with the

people you love.

And if you ARE staying home during the holidays, please keep writing so the

rest of us who are not traveling, will have something to read!

Blessings of the season to all of you,

Nancy Sentipal in cold Virginia

AJSNGSaol.com

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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 09:40:40 PST

From: jadavisjuno.com (Julie A Davis)

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Re: QHL --comments

Message-ID: <19961221.103939.11166.2.jadavisjuno.com>

Happy Holidays Everyone!

I just want you all to know just how much I am enjoying this list.

I really don't have much expertise in this area and I am learning

so very much! When I have time, I have a beautiful story to tell

about how I got my Grandmother's machine and quilt frame......

Merry Christmas!

Julie Davis

jadavisjuno.com

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Date: 21 Dec 96 14:40:24 EST

From: Rabbit Goody <75444.1037CompuServe.COM>

To: "INTERNET:QHLcue.com" <QHLcue.com>

Subject: Re: QHL: Oral history

Message-ID: <961221194024_75444.1037_FHQ46-1CompuServe.COM>

As far as I know, written language is about 10,000 years old. I have been

involved in oral history and folklore as legitamate studies and I love both

studies for what they tell us about people and culture. But, we have written

histories and many many ways of understanding the past that involve written

language and not just oral history. For example, if you are interested in a

small town in the southern appalachains and you want to find out about quilting

traditions the newspaper archives listing the prizes at the local fairs,

grange, church suppers, etc.. are great ways to figure out what type of

quilting was being done. to corroborate the oral traditions. Probate records,

store accounts, all those things are available, letters diaries, journals exist.

Gazeteers exist. Agricultural magazines with womens pages listing what type of

quilting is popular and how to do it. How to do it pages have been around

since the 18th century in America. Thats how we substantiate or question oral

histories. Oral histories tell us how people think and remeber their past. No

two people perceive the past the same way. "Roshimon" the movie is a wonderful

exploration of the concept that an event has truth only for each participant and

observer and that truth is different.

The place we can actually date and identify textiles in quilts is the

microscope, the records of mills, and having signed and dated pieces as

referrence. and then checking out the written information against the oral

traiditons. No one aspect is really better than another they allmust work

together.

As I said I would be thrilled to find referrences for hand process continuing

in the south we know they continued in Canada we know there were pockets

elsewhere. But that certainly was not what was happening in New York State,

Pennsylvania, New Jersey, What is vital is the contribution of all of this.

THis is not a competition it is a learning process and an unbderstanding that

quilts are a way to understand the past. Those of us who study textile history

usually also study food history and other parts of vernacular life. Oral

traditions are wonderful and Janette Lasansky and Sandra Rambo Walker in the PA

oral histories project has done so much to contribute to the merging of written

history with oral history and no, not all basket makers were gypsies and not all

blacksmiths were muscle bound

Many of you will be glad if I never respond again to these discussions but I

feel that if we want womans history to be taken seriously and oral traiditons to

be part of the referrence material we need to do it right or we will be

repeating the secondary sources of the early 20th century that are romantic and

not helpful to understanding the past.

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Date: 21 Dec 96 14:56:06 EST

From: Rabbit Goody <75444.1037CompuServe.COM>

To: "INTERNET:QHLcue.com" <QHLcue.com>

Subject: Re: QHL: various subjects

Message-ID: <961221195605_75444.1037_FHQ32-1CompuServe.COM>

most early 19th century and late 18th century whole cloth quilts were made using

a glazed worsted top and a woolen back. These have been mistakenly called

"linsey-woolsey because of the shine or galze. We know taht several different

glazing techniques were in use. One is simply calendaring which is a very heavy

pressing ( not accomplished with irons at home) which self glazes worsted

wool. Another was gum arabic glaze and another was a pressed wax but these are

all only semi permanent glazes so many pieces lack the finish they once had.

Thistle Hill weavers and Eaton Hill Textile both reproduce worsteds for glazing

and do a limited amount of glazing on fabric. for more infor

75444.1037CompuServ.com Rabbit Goody Thistle Hill.

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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 16:07:12 -0500

From: Baglady111aol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: Re: QHL: various subjects

Message-ID: <961221160711_1921616133emout05.mail.aol.com>

fOR rABBITT..I have a piece of linsey-woolsey but it doesn't have a glaze or

shine to it..it is a portin of woll and a portion of linen. It is my

understanding that most thought 'linsey-woolsey' was so called because it was

half wool and half linen..but later, someone discovered a town in England

named Linsey-Woosley, hence the name. Jane <baglady111aol.com

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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 17:46:50 -0500

From: QRestoreaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Rabbit Goody's Comments

Message-ID: <961221174650_1590356257emout03.mail.aol.com>

Dear Rabitt Goody;

Please permit me to add my thoughts about your informative discussions. This

was a primary reason for me to become a part of the ListServe, to not only

share information with others but to learn from those who have spent a good

deal of their life researching and documenting quilt and textile information.

I strongly encourage your input as I do others that have participated in

these discussions.

People who know me know I'm a great debater and throughly enjoy searching out

both sides of any issue. It's truly the only way we learn about ourselves,

our past and our history. I'm truly fascinated by the historical

perspective you and others on this ListServe have to offer. Please continue

. . . Thank you, Rabbit

Let me say "Welcome" to a very good friend and a remarkable, talented woman,

Sharon Hareleman Tandy (also from Boise, Idaho). She has such a wealth of

knowledge and information to share with all of us, can't wait.

Warmest Wishes to All,

Victoria Montgomery

QRestoreaol.com

Boise, ID (9" + snow)

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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 18:17:48 -0500 (EST)

From: Quilting Heritage ListServ <QRSmail.albany.net>

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Let the debates begin!

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Allow me to add my "me too" to Victoria's comments. This ListServ was

created for the very purpose of discussions. How can we "discuss" anything

if we are all super polite and never disagree even slightly? Like Victoria,

I am looking forward to the debates. So much of our information is

anecdotal, we depend on the researchers like Rabitt to either confirm or deny.

Was Linsey-woolsey really named after a town in England? (She says, smiling

innocently.)

Kris

At 05:46 PM 12/21/96 -0500, you wrote:

>Dear Rabitt Goody;

>

>Please permit me to add my thoughts about your informative discussions. This

>was a primary reason for me to become a part of the ListServe, to not only

>share information with others but to learn from those who have spent a good

>deal of their life researching and documenting quilt and textile information.

> I strongly encourage your input as I do others that have participated in

>these discussions.

>

>

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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 18:51:24 -0500 (EST)

From: Quilting Heritage ListServ <QRSmail.albany.net>

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Book reviews

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Sorry, I forgot to mention that I did order _Stitched from the Soul_ from

amazon.com and it arrived in three days. Being so close to Christmas, I had

my daughter wrap it and put it under the tree from Santa. I will do a book

review after I have finished reading it. (10am Christmas morning <G>) Jane

the baglady recommended another book _Hearts and Hands: Women, Quilts and

the American Society_ that I am going to send for as soon as I find how what

DH did to our credit cards.

By the way, for those of you looking for Textile Designs (Kath! Pay

attention here!), amazon.com has it for $76.50. A far cry from the $52 I

paid to AQS, but then AQS doesn't carry it anymore. I tried to check out

the new AQS pages by going to http://www.aqs.com (sounds logical, doesn't

it?) but only managed to learn about Air Quality Services:-(( Turns out

that the site at http://www.AQSquilt.com is still under construction, but I

will be interested to see if they offer books.

I am not particularly recommending amazon.com. I can't fault their service

or their prices, but they tagged me with a cookie when I got to their site,

and I don't like that. I get enough junk mail as it is.

Kris

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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 19:32:46 -0500

From: SadieRoseaol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Re: shine on fabrics

Message-ID: <961221193245_1654037466emout18.mail.aol.com>

Rabbit explained the finish on wools...

Cottons also are produced with a shiny finish, sometimes called chintz,

which will diminish when the fabric or quilt is laundered. Cotton is also

produced in a special weave, called Cotton Sateen, which gives a sheen to the

fabric. I have seen several old Amish quilts made of cotton sateen....whole

cloth type quilts. One was navy cotton sateen- exquisite!! I made a doll

size quilt of white cotton sateen...did some cording and trapunto on it, too.

The cotton sateen is a little different to stitch on, as your stitches can

"disappear" into the weave. Cotton sateens in solid pastels are a strong

clue to the 1925-1950 era (according to Barbara Brackman's CLUES IN THE

CALICO) although this type of fabric was available prior to that.

Anyone with more info, feel free to add on to my comments. Karan

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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 16:36:58 -0800 (PST)

From: Monika Jones <monikajcdsnet.net>

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Debates

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Hello all,

keep it going. I love all these discussions about quilts, fabric

and books. I just ordered the book "Clues in the calico". Can't wait to get

it. I looked at it a few years ago but I was'nt "into" the old fabric then,

so I did'nt buy it.

When I first started quilting I bought a lot of "how to" books. I guess

thats normal. Now I'm more interested in history of the quilts.

I love appliqued quilts. Two years ago I entered a quilt in the mixed

category at the APNQ, it won second place (feathered stars with an applique

border all around).

Quilting on my first all applique quilt now. I'm anxious to see it done. The

next one is over half way appliqued.

Are there any books with just applique quilts from the 1800s ?

Happy Quilting

Monika from the Rogue Valley in Oregon

monikajcdsnet.net

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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 19:58:42 -0500

From: Baglady111aol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: Re: QHL: Let the debates begin!

Message-ID: <961221195841_1041849269emout04.mail.aol.com>

Linsey-Woolsey named after a town in England? Beats me!! It would just be a

darn shame if I had to fly to England to find out..I recall telling my

audiences, as I showed and passed along a nice piece of linsey-woolsy to them

to feel and inspect..telling them it was called that because it was a

combination of wool and liene..this particualr piece is red..at the raveled

part..it is red (the wool) and strands of ecru or off white (the linen) hence

the combined name..when a lad spoke up and said she had read that it was

named that after the town in England..personally, I like both stories..can

anyone add to this? Jane

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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 18:05:11 +0000

From: Bev Jordan <qultfixdirectcon.net>

To: SadieRoseaol.com

CC: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Re: shine on fabrics

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Thought I'd jump in here with a comment on an old crazy quilt I have. It is

dated

March 17, 1916 and some of the blocks have an elaborate embroidered flower

in the

center. Some have initials in the centers. The top is mostly velvets with a

couple

losing some of the pile. The back is of one large piece that I believe is a

cotton

sateen or something like that. It is shiny and of a medium golden brown,

solid not

print. I've examined the quilt pretty good and I think the back was done at the

time the quilt was finished.

Bev

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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 20:29:31 -0500

From: QRestoreaol.com

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Fabric Search Ended

Message-ID: <961221202930_676451137emout07.mail.aol.com>

Thank you to all of you who took time to e-mail suggestions and other

resources out there in my search for the Smithsonian toile fabric. I've got

my fabric!

My deepest appreciation to SadieRose (Karan Flanscha of Cedar Falls, IA) for

buying 8 yards of this fabric while shopping this morning, just because she

knew I was looking for it Wow!

Thanks so much!

Victoria :)

QRestoreaol.com

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Date: Sun, 22 Dec 96 02:09:14 UT

From: "Stanley someone Lorne in Lobby A" <jbstanmsn.com>

To: "Rabbit Goody" <75444.1037CompuServe.COM>,

"INTERNET:QHLcue.com"

<QHLcue.com>

Subject: RE: QHL: Oral history

Message-Id: <UPMAIL04.199612220229350109msn.com>

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I am thrilled to read the knowledgeable posts by those of you who have a

scholarly approach to the history of quilting.......which I perceive to be

only part of the histories that you are involved with......please,

Rabbit.......keep posting here!! I am a quiltmaker and not an historian. I

have no family legacy oral or otherwise of any grand contribution to the human

history......my gramma made baby layettes for the Red Cross up to three weeks

of her death and others have knit or crochedted some fine gifts......it is

appreciated to hear collective wisdom of every sort.......the fads we are

quilting our way through will tell our history someday too. It's not as hard

to drive down to the local quilt shop and pick up the latest Debbie Mumm or

Roberta Horton, as it is to harvest, weave, card, color, whatever.......but

the personal stories stiched into the quilts we make today from our hearts

contribute to families, friends, charities, causes etc.

I probably won't ever enter a musty dusty newspaper archive, nor sit before a

microfiche projector to study history of any sort......but I do belong to this

list to learn as described in the parameters of the opening 'welcome'

letter.....so y'all keep teaching us non-historians, us semi-historians and us

armchair quarterbacks.....

Even learning what the differences between oral and written histories

are/could be, make for fascinating reading here.

I could ramble on........but will close with......in my humble opinion, even

the differences in opinions have added knowledge to the readers........thanks

for taking the time to post!!

JoAnne

jbstanmsn.com

Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 22:13:24 -0500

From: quiltmagmindspring.com (Jean Ann)

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: debating the issues

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I love a good debate of the issues. keep the email coming, Rabbit. Of

course we want to hear from you! we just want to disagree once in awhile

and since you are open to that....great!

and it is way past time that the contribution of many many women to our

country's history was recognized. I am for any method that will make this

happen.

Jean Ann Eitel

America's Favorite Quilter

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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 21:23:49 -0800 (PST)

From: Michele Weise <michelepeppertreestudios.com>

To: QHLcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: fabric sheen

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A very reputable quilt historian in my area showed me a quilt she owns

from the late 1700's. I recall it was the most unusual quilt I'd ever seen.

I vaguely remember it being more of a whole cloth type and quite dark with

many browns. But the most striking feature was its sheen. She said it had

never been washed because it still had a good shine and the shine came from

applying egg whites to the fabric as a 'glaze'. Has anyone else ever seen

something like this on such an old quilt?

Just as a note I do know that egg whites were used in making the true

'egg tempra' paints which were used in medieval times. In contemporary

painting, Andrew Wyeth also used egg tempra in his painting because it was

applied in very thin layers and gave a lot of depth to his work. Egg whites

were mixed with the finely ground color pigments and a small amount of ball

clay was added as a binder. If you have ever seen any of the beautiful

religious panels painted on wood in the Cloisters in NY, you would have seen

the vibrant colors of the egg tempra paints.

I remember my mother's old beauty tricks from the fifties as well of

using egg whites as a facial mask to tighten pores....wow, almost forgot all

that old stuff....

Michele in Moorpark,CA

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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 21:55:59 -0700

From: "Mary E Scott" <mscott28cybertrails.com>

To: "Rabbit Goody" <75444.1037CompuServe.COM>,

"INTERNET:QHLcue.com" <QHLcue.com>

Subject: Re: QHL: Oral history

Message-Id: <199612211453.VAA10773 cybertrails.com>

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Dear Rabbit:

I, for one, have enjoyed what you have to say. I joined this group for the

education that I think is available from the many experienced people that

belong to this group. I have, at times, disagreed with what you have had

to say. But, you have gone on to explain what you are saying and the

reasons behind what you say. I find this VERY informative. You have made

me stop and rethink some of the ideas that I have taken for granted. This

is what educating a person is all about. PLEASE DO NOT STOP POSTING TO THE

GROUP. I treasure your knowledge and it would be a shame if you stopped

simply because someone might object or disagree iwth you. If there is a

disagreement then it is up to them to explain where they are coming from

and what knowledge basis that they are using to disagree with you. This is

true education.l As as teacher, retired, a good discussion had to have

more than one idea or position. I find this very informative.

Merry Christmas

Mary Scott

mscott28cybertrails.com

http://inficad.com/~lightsp/suitee/index.html

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Date: 22 Dec 96 11:39:31 EST

From: Rabbit Goody <75444.1037CompuServe.COM>

To: "INTERNET:QHLcue.com" <QHLcue.com>

Subject: Re: QHL: Let the debates begin!

Message-ID: <961222163930_75444.1037_FHQ30-2CompuServe.COM>

Ok now I am really going to get myself in hot water. Textile fabric names

Linsey-woolsey ok what do we really know? Yes cloths coming from Linsey Engalnd

were sometimes called linsey as town names were helpful for distinguishing

regional fabric production traditions Its use in colonial and post revolutionary

America is very confusing. The term was used by deToqueville in his

discriptions of traveling in America to mean a coarse home produced fabric with

either linen or cotton warp and singles wool filling ( weft) in solids and

stripes always in plain weave and without much finishing. The biggest problem I

have is that people weaving in their homes at the same time did not use the

term "linsey-woolsey" as often as those in the 20th century. Often the

referrences to weaving plain cloth of linen and wool were simply called " mixed

stuff" Stuff usually equaling plain weave cloth as opposed to twills, figures,

spot etc.

The nice thing about using the term linsey-woolsey is that we can know it is

plain weave and that it has cotton or linen warp and singles wool crossing it.

So it is a good place to communicate but usually I try to find a referrence for

a particular decade and its vernacular use, use by those weaving, and

descriptive use by dry goods merchants etc. For example the term Fustian changes

almost every 10 years between 1700 and 1900. Jean which has never changed in

description is a sub set of fustian go figure. The most important thing is that

we have so much surviving plain weave mixed cloth in many colors and weights

Important though none of the surviving pieces are what I would call irregular or

rough textured and when people reproduce it today they often mistake a low count

( warp threads and weft threads per inch) for a lumpy bumpy look for instance in

the pieces I have in my collection the counts are usually in the high 30's to

low 40's unless they are horse blankets which we do find so that would look like

a low count sheet not like a lumpy irregular texture usually the yarns are very

well spun and the weaving which can be problematic with linen warps is done

well.

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Date: 22 Dec 96 11:39:33 EST

From: Rabbit Goody <75444.1037CompuServe.COM>

To: "INTERNET:QHLcue.com" <QHLcue.com>

Subject: Re: QHL: fabric sheen

Message-ID: <961222163932_75444.1037_FHQ30-3CompuServe.COM>

I have also heard about egg white glazes on worsted whole cloth quilts and on

what we have come to call cotton Chintz of the 18th century. I cannot however

find any actual receipes or directions for it as a fabric glaze That doesnt mean

it wsnt used - but we do find good information about heat glazing worsteds and

gum arabic and wax glazes. I just spent a few minutes in my library ( textile

technology collection) and still could only come up with Gum Arabic and various

other starch combinations. An introduction to textile finishing, by Marsh.

Posselt's textile library series and the Cyclopedia of Textile Work but these

are all 19th century not 18th century. I will keep looking because we are very

interested in finding the recipes. The Met has asked us to glaze some worsted

and I have been experimenting with gum arabic and wax but I would love to have

something easy like egg white to work with. I am curious though if egg whites

will need the introduction of a pliable substance to keep the surface from

breaking The glazing problem is just that one of keeping the glaze a pliable

surface as textile move so much and this is semi permanent.

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Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 15:44:53 -0500

From: QuiltLineaol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Re: QHL-Digest Digest V96 #19

Message-ID: <961222154452_236623988emout10.mail.aol.com>

Hi all,

I haven't posted in a while, in fact only a few times since the beginning.

I have read intently however all of everyone else's posts. I am glad to

read today that we are encouraging each other in the sharing of quilt

knowledge, and hope that the debates that continue on this list, (and I am

sure there will be more). One of my favorite things about those who love

quilts, is that most of us, don't mind the sharing of information. It is

how we are enriched and can also learn how to enrich others. Perhaps this

open forum will encourage those who want to keep all of their knowledge to

themselves, to be more open. From the posts that have been made here since

the beginning of the list, this is certainly not a threatening environment,

and I for one am only here to learn, and appreciative of what has been

shared.

Debbie Roberts

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Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 19:03:37 -0500 (EST)

From: beral26interlynx.net

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: linsey -woolsey

Message-Id: <199612230003.TAA02956boris.interlynx.net>

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Hi all, I've unlurked to respond to the suggestion that linsey-woolsey is named

after a town in England. I am originally from England and have never heard of

a town called that- that is not to suggest it does'nt exist - just I've never

heard of linsey-woolsey in that connection. It is not listed in the Michelin

Motoring Atlas of Great Britain & Ireland. I have studied 19th century costume

and have some museum experience and always understood the name came from

being a

mixture of wool and linen/ or cotton.

I am really enjoying this list and the discussion. I feel that I can learn a

lot from the expertise of you all. I have sewed as long as I can remember,

but

more of a newbie when it comes to quilting. The history of textiles/quilts

fascinates me, as does the history of needlework tools/workboxes. I have been

collecting them for twenty-five years. Looking forward to the continuation of

the discussion. Happy Holidays......Alma in Southern Ontario.

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Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 20:07:24 -0500

From: SadieRoseaol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: Re: QHL: Re: shine on fabrics

Message-ID: <961222200723_610685684emout07.mail.aol.com>

Bev, and everyone,

I have in "protective custody" a fabulous Victorian Crazy Quilt which

also has a golden brown cotton sateen backing. Wonder if this was common, or

just a coincidence?? The quilt was in my MIL's godmother's trunk, and we

didn't get it til she passed away, so don't know who made it. Pretty sure it

was made late 1800's. In very good condition, some fabrics deteriorating.

Has chenille work, Kate Greenaway embroidered children, hand painted patches

with a bird's nest & eggs, lots of different embroidery stitches, gorgeous

fabrics, etc. Border is a crimson velvet. It has 4 fan blocks in the

center, almost gives it a "sun" appearance, and 4 fan blocks, one in each

corner. The crazy quilt patches are definitely done in blocks. This is a

very organized Crazy Quilt!!

The reason I have it in "protective custody" is that my MIL was "storing"

it in her attic....just threw it up there. I asked to borrow it for a quilt

show, and it had been rained on!! Then, she talked about putting it in a

display window (they all face west) at her jewelry store!! She has no idea

how fragile this textile treasure is. I have it rolled with acid free tissue

paper, then in a cotton sheet, under my bed. Temperature and humidity there

are pretty stable. Much better than her attic!! (After 25 years, she still

calls what I do "knitting" !!)

Can you stand some more book reviews?? I will post them separately.

TTFN, Karan

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Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 20:07:39 -0500

From: SadieRoseaol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Book Review: First Flowerings

Message-ID: <961222200738_1590479458emout17.mail.aol.com>

I was privileged to attend one of the DAR "hands on" quilt lectures in March.

If you have a chance, they are WONDERFUL!! I, too, was a tiny bit

depressed that I couldn't take pictures, but getting to handle a real

Baltimore Album quilt, also quilts made by relatives of Edgar Allen Poe,

Francis Scott Keyes, and Martha Washington, made up for it. I was very

careful not to drool on the quilts!! Nancy Tuckhorn, textiles curator, was

our workshop presenter, and I asked every question I could think of. Most of

the rest of the group was very quiet...in awe of these fabulous, historic

textiles. (I figured they could always just ship me back to Iowa!)

The first piece we saw was a quilted petticoat from the 1700's. Nancy

explained that due to space limitations, they must evaluate any potential new

acquistions, and see how it compares to pieces they already have in the

collection. Because of this, they have kept the best of the best, and have a

marvelous collection.

I found a book in the DAR Museum gift shop, called "FIRST FLOWERING: EARLY

VIRGINIA QUILTS" by Gloria Seaman Allen, Curator, based on an exhibit from

July to Oct. 1987. This book contains both color and b&w photos of quilts

from the exhibit, along with background information. The exhibit, and book,

brought together quilts made in northern and eastern Virginia prior to 1840.

I purchased this book as a souvenir, because some of the quilts we were

shown are included- but there is lots of excellent information included.

Also, the price can't be beat: $5.00!! This is soft cover, 46 pages. Most

of the quilts are medallion style, and feature the glazed cotton chintz we

have been discussing lately. Sorry to say, I don't have the DAR Museum phone

number, maybe one of you nearer Washington can share that, if anyone is

interested.

One of the comments that stayed with me from that day, was that the

technique we would call "trapunto" today, was called "stuffed work" at the

time these quilts were being made. It was fascinating for me to see quilts

of this age, when we did the Iowa Quilts Research Project, we saw very few

quilts older than 1850 (Iowa became a state in 1846), and none of those older

quilts were made in Iowa.

This is another reason our discussions are so valuable...although I have

seen quite a few 1850's- 1950's quilts in the Midwest....I have little

experience with quilts from the East or South. So fascinating to learn more

about ALL of this!! We can all keep adding little "pieces to the puzzle" as

we shed more light on fabrics, quilts and quiltmakers.

Karan

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Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 20:07:53 -0500

From: SadieRoseaol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Book Review: No Time On My Hands

Message-ID: <961222200753_976283363emout05.mail.aol.com>

No Time On My Hands, by Grace Snyder, as told to Nellie Snyder Yost

This is the autobiography of Grace McCance Snyder, told in a style that

will remind you of Laura Ingalls Wilder's series of Little House books.

Copyright 1963, reprinted in 1986 by the University of Nebraska Press, ISBN

# 0-8032-9164-7

I don't know if this book is currently available, but it is well worth

tracking down. Grace tells of her life growing up on the high plains of

Nebraska "where, as a child of seven and up, I wished three wishes and

dreamed three dreams. I wished that I might grow up to make the most

beautiful quilts in the world, to marry a cowboy, and to look down on the top

of a cloud. At the time I dreamed those dreams and wished those wishes, it

seemed impossible that any of them could ever come true" (but they all did).

Grace's beautiful petit point style "Flower Basket" quilt is shown in

color on the cover of my copy, but the one thing (from a quilter's point of

view) lacking in the book is color photos of more of Grace's quilts. There

are family photos, and a few b&w's with Grace's quilts in the background.

Grace tells how she pieced the Flower Basket quilt, based on a design on a

china plate, of "triangle shaped pieces so small, that eight of them sewed

together made a "block" no larger than a two-cent postage stamp." It took

16 months to complete. When the quilt was finished, Grace wrote to the china

company to see if she could find out who had designed the pattern. The owner

of the company was so impressed with the photo of her quilt, he sent her an

entire set of the china! Eventually, she was able to correspond with the

German man who had designed the basket motif.

Grace was born in 1882, and lived to be 100 years old. What amazing

changes occurred over the century she lived. She was one of the quilters

interviewed by Molly Newman prior to the writing of the play QUILTERS! and

you will recognize some of Grace's anecdotes in the play! Grace was inducted

into the Quilter's Hall of Fame in 1980.

She started as a child, piecing scraps with leftovers from the family's

clothing, but used her "last dollar to buy enough yard goods to piece a quilt

top" to take along when she hired out to teach at a prairie school when she

was 18. Later, she married a neighbor, Bert Snyder, the cowboy she dreamed

of, and they moved to a ranch in the sand hills of Nebraska. Her, Grace

filled lonely hours with raising her family and stitching prize-winning

quilts. They owned one of the first autos in the sand hills, bought in 1908.

This is an enjoyable read, filled with the little everyday happenings, as

well as the quilts that Grace "pieced in her spare time".

Hope you find some "spare time" for some stitching during the holidays!!

Karan

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Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 21:20:41 -0500

From: Baglady111aol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: Re: QHL: Re: shine on fabrics

Message-ID: <961222212041_1821097108emout01.mail.aol.com>

Love the book reviews by SadieRose..I woul dlike to add to the Grace McCance

Snyder one..seveal years ago I hostessed a dicussion table at the AMSG

conference in NE..one of my feedsack club members, Linda Winter, of Holdrege,

NE invited me to spend a some time with her..while at her home, I was reading

the book SadieRose reviewed and Linda told me Mrs. Snyder's home was not too

far from Holdrege..did I want to explore and find it? ARE YOU SERIOUS?? We

packed a picnic and off we went..Grace's daughter tells of the cemetary where

immediate family members were buried..WE FOUND IT!! There is one particular

plot where the marker has a "bubble frame" picture of the lady buried

there..sure enough, there it was..I can;t recall but I think it was an aunt

or Grace's sister..SadieRose would know from the book.also, when Grace's

daughter flew to an exhibit of Grace's quilts..the quilts rode in the seat

next to Grace's daughter..a place of honor..many thanx, SadieRose for the

wonderful review and the memsories it awakened of my visit to ehr home

area..we found the area of ehr homne after she was wed but there was nothing

there to determine exactly WHICH spot it was..where her home had stood at one

time..the lady who was born in a soddy, reared in a soddy, boarded /lived in

a soddy when teaching school, and married and tended top her family in a

soddy..Jane

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 13:38:39 -0600 (CST)

From: celmoreksu.edu

To: qhlcuenet.com

Subject: QHL: Introduction

Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.961223132338.19322Acbs.ksu.ksu.edu>

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Hi, Quilt Historians, etc.

I, too, have been lurking on this listserv because I work as a

librarian and have had very little time to be sending messages. Now that

all the university students and hopefully some of the professors are now

at home instead of in the library I can have a few minutes to pursue other

academic interests--quilts.

My name is Carol Elmore and my quilt interests are appraising quilts

(AQS certified) and collecting fabric, quilts featuring dogs. I am also

interested in feed sacks, especially those advertising chicken feed. I

just bought an interesting sack at a sale which was one of the recycled

sacks having advertising from one company on the front and from another

company on the inside. I have several quilts which have fabrics with feed

sacks from chicken feed. I recently contacted Jane S. who gave me a

couple of contacts for feed sack information. Thank you Jane. I will

probably be interested in joining her feed sack club sometime because it

sounds like an interesting group.

I'm not sure how much I will be able to add to your discussions.

It seems like you all do a good job of discussing various topics. It

sure is fun reading all the comments.

Carol Elmore

Manhattan, Kansas

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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 20:57:45 -0500

From: Baglady111aol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: Re: QHL: Introduction

Message-ID: <961223205730_1888344437emout17.mail.aol.com>

Welcome, Carol..the sack you mention, one advertiser on one side, another on

the inside, is VERY unique and adds toit being collectable..several members

are going to be quite interested in learning about it..we will be happy to

have you with the club but you don't have to join to avail yourself of

help/contacts to gain info/acqurie sacks..and I know all of us will look

forward to more posts from you..Jane

Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 09:24:44 -0500

From: SadieRoseaol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: January Birthdays

Message-ID: <961224092440_404639289emout02.mail.aol.com>

I just learned of another quilter on our list with a January birthday

coming up (mine is too) .... I am amazed at how many quilters I know (several

of them are nationally known) who have January birthdays. If any of you QHL

members have Jan. birthdays, please e-mail me privately (don't hit the reply

key!). I don't have to know the year...just the day. "The weather

outside is frightful".....new snow and wind warnings here. Wishing safe

holiday travel to each of you and your loved ones! Karan

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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 00:48:40 PST

From: psierajuno.com (Pam D Siera)

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Re: egg whites

Message-ID: <19961224.072836.3446.5.PSierajuno.com>

I hate to contradict Michele, and perhaps we are talking abut two

different things, but I learned to paint with egg tempora by mixing the

inner yolk with dry pigment in layers which made the painting

translusent and that added the depth. A lot of fruit still lifes are

painted this way. I've never heard of glazing a quilt though using any

medium. Pam in Santa Rosa

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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 07:06:24 PST

From: psierajuno.com (Pam D Siera)

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Re: preserving the history

Message-ID: <19961224.072837.3446.7.PSierajuno.com>

In my cedar chest are several quilts made by my family. I caught

my youngest daughter collecting quilts in her closet and realizing how

important they were to her we went through all the quilts and I tried to

remember as much history as I could and we wrote down at least that much

on paper and pinned it to the quilt.

After all the discussion about oral tradition and being the oldest

woman in my family at 45, I was thinking, what do you all think about my

making labels for these quilts. One in particular is the first quilt my

mother made, would be 1930's with the help of her grandmother, a

Sunbonnet Sue. Another is an unfinished solid yellow and white that my

grandmother told me her aunt had started, she had worked on it and now so

have I and my daughter. It's hand pieced and my grandmother bought more

material so it isn't an exact match. You see already my grandmother is

dead and I can't verify the story but then how will my daughter ever do

better when I make it into a baby quilt if she ever has children?

I don't want to make a mess of them either. Thanks for your

thoughts. Pam

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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 11:03:08 -0500

From: SarahOzaol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Feedsack value

Message-ID: <961224110307_35554459emout07.mail.aol.com>

HI All!

Perhaps someone can answer this question that I've been thinking about ever

since I picked up a particular feedsack. I've been collecting sacks for

about 3-4 years. I have a rather large collection most found in Ohio, but I

have found some here in the Phoenix area also.

My question is, are some sacks worth more than others? While I lived in Ohio

I came across, at an antique show, a sack that has Disney's Alice In

Wonderland motif/figures on it. There was only one, and I don't believe the

person selling it saw any worth in it at all considering they only asked a

dollar for it. I'm surprised it wasn't higher in price just because it was a

disney/animation item. It is in excellent condition and still is stitched

into the bag with the original seams. I haven't seen since any bags with

Disney things on them.

Thanks for you help and Happy Holidays!

Rose Gray

Tempe AZ

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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 11:24:06 -0500

From: QuiltFixeraol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: QHL: Seasons Greeting From Toni

Message-ID: <961224112405_1289491911emout19.mail.aol.com>

Have a happy and safe Holiday. Wishes for a wonderful new year. I am so

happy to be on this list with all of you.

Merry Christmas

Toni Baumgard

QuiltFixeraol.com

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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 11:24:34 -0500

From: Knutemaol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: Re: QHL: Re: preserving the history

Message-ID: <961224112428_875846066emout12.mail.aol.com>

Sounds like you have some treasures. I would definitely make some labels with

the information that you know.

Good luck,

Bet

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Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 11:27:15 -0500

From: Baglady111aol.com

To: QHLcue.com

Subject: Re: QHL: Feedsack value

Message-ID: <961224112715_371098922emout14.mail.aol.com>

Well, you lucky sacker, you!! GOOD FOR YOU!! It is worth anywhere from

$25.00 and UP!! Like anything, the right location, the right person would

pat at least $25.00 and a serious collector? $50.00 and up..I have one that

unless they held a gun to my head..and that fact that it is in excellent

condition, still closed (string still in) make sit VERy COLLECTABLE..These

are the ones you would NEVER want to cut up..Yes, Disney appears on numerous

ones..I have Alice in Wonderland, Cinderella, Davey Crockette, and there is

also a Snow Wshsite..I have PIECES of a Snow White in the petals of a

Dressden Plate..she and her Prince Charming are heading to the castle on his

white steed..I understand there is a Lil Abner out there..and several members

also have Gone with the Wind..Oh, I almost forgot..I have one with Miceky,

Donald, and Goofy on it..they are such fun, so glorious in colors (because

they were made with dyes we are no longer allowed to use because of the